“There is no real ending. It’s just the place where you stop the story.”

― Frank Herbert

Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Something new under the sun.

I went into town yesterday.   Went to the post office and took care of a stack of outgoing mail. Then I went to the grocery store. No new magazines but I did get a case of the fizzy water I like.  After that, I had lunch at Subway.  I don't really like Subway, but my 85 year old mother sends me all these gift cards for places like that. She gets them free for points on her Visa card or some such thing.

Then I went out to Walmart for dog food.  As always , I went to the ammo counter.  It was crowded with old timers, most of whom just wanted to talk and weren't interested in buying anything. There were two stacks of Federal 9mm in the cabinent, one priced at $14.95 and one priced at $9.99.

I thought they were the same, and asked the clerk if there was some mistake on pricing, but immediately all the old guys starting trying to be the first to tell me that the cheap ammo was aluminum cased. I knew Speer made that , and CCI, but I never heard of Federal doing it.

It would make good carry ammo I guess, since if I had to shoot evil doer's it's unlikely I would be able to pick up the cartridge cases afterwards.  I reload 9mm so I don't see a big use for this stuff on my part.  If  I can get 50 once fired cartridge cases for an extra $5.00 by buying the brass cased ammo, why not.  Besides, they are still selling the Turkish 9mm really cheap, and that's brass cased and boxer primed.

Great Value, the Walmart house brand, canned chicken was on sale for under $2.00 a can, so I bought what they had. I got about 20 cans.  I wish I could have gotten them still in the cardboard case, but since there is no "back room" at Walmart, everything goes on the shelf as it comes out and you can't get an unopened case.


Very chilly here this morning. At dawn it was 49 degrees.  It's supposed to warm up during the day into the mid seventies. I haven't got any plans. Everything that absolutely had to get done, I took care of yesterday.

Maybe I'll just stay in and read.  I got a new book on the 1982 "Peace for Galilee" operation. That's the one that trapped the PLO in Beirut and led to USMC involvement.  There isn't much out there on the War in Lebanon.  It's a forgotten chapter of American history, but one I'm interested in for obvious reasons.



  That was a long time ago,  and I'm still trying to figure out how it all came about.  I know stupidity on the part of Ronald Reagan was certainly at the top of the list.

The idiots from the state department played a large role too.  The same kind of Alice in Wonderland mind set that gave us Benghazi was prevalent back then, with Habib and McFarland doing a great imitation of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

I wonder why the state department attracts so many people who have no concept of reality, and live in Cloud Coo Coo land?  Doesn't seem to matter if it's a Republican or Democratic administration, the state department clown show remains the same.







At any rate, I'm still trying to make some sense out of it all these many years later.

Why would the USMC, which abhorred the Islamic Terrorists of the day, have been sent in to protect them from our allies, the Israelis?

Why were the rules of engagement so stringent that after months of being constantly attacked, the Marine sentries on duty the day of the bombing were under orders not to have weapons cocked and locked?

Hell, I don't know and I was wrapped up in all of it from the get go to the bitter end.  But I'm still working on understanding it.

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  1. Our kids love the canned chicken, i use it to make chicken and dumplings, and chicken alfredo. That is a good deal, I need to check my walmart
    From what I understand, you can call ahead and order "A case" of canned goods, and they will hold it for you.
    Academy sports has had a bit of .22 coming in, but it is a two box limit. So Senior and I will go to seperate registers and check out..ha ha. Last week we did this several times.

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    1. I have been buying a lot of canned chicken, canned corn beef, and canned roast beef. Lately I have started ordering cases from Walmart via the net, which is about the same cost as buying off the shelf.

      No .22 here. Most of it coming into Walmart is being siphoned off to flea market dealers through shady deals .

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  2. I loved the canned chicken, my family not so much. SO guess who is stocking up on canned chicken??? Will see how much they like it was that's all they have to eat. Plus canned tuna. I buy the bigger cans of tuna at $2.12 a can. I buy 4 to 6 at a time. Plus the canned pasta and veggies we have. Have you every tried the canned beef?? You could write volumes of books of why the State Dept. does what they do. Was it better when it was the WAR Dept.????

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    1. Canned corned beef and canned roast beef from Walmart constitute a considerable portion of my canned meat stores.

      The State Department is comprised of left wing , upper class know nothings and of political appointees who have no qualifications except having helped the current president get elected, whichever party he belongs to.

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  3. In 82 I graduated high-school, and as most teenagers I was too caught up in my own troubled world trying to keep my head above water and not really aware of world or national politics. I do remember the headlines, but to me it was a world away and I can only remember being glad I was not caught up in it. Vaguely aware that there were a lot of bad guys involved and thinking we should just let Israel do what they had to do, instead of making our own folks targets for the towel heads. As for the precise details on how things went down and the back room dealings in Beirut no one will likely ever fess up at this point. And as usual, when politicians get involved in managing armed conflicts the grunt on the ground always pays the price. I am glad there were braver and stronger men around who were able to do what most of us could not.

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  4. I was on sixth fleet staff at the time, the COMSTRIKFORSOUTH component in Naples. I spent much of 1982 and some of 1983 in Lebanon, usually aboard the USS Puget Sound or ashore. All these many years later , I'm still trying to make some logical framework for all of it. I haven't had much luck. Neither did the Marines on the ground at the time, from the MAU commander on down.

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  5. I recall an individual who liked aluminum cased ammo for carry because it is lighter. Personally since I carry a polymer framed gun it is pretty light already so it's not a big concern. I carry Federal Classic Defense JHP ammo. The stuff I currently have is 115 grain. Conceptually I would prefer 124 but I'm not sure they make the stuff in that affordable, yet quality, line.

    Next time I am at Wally World I will have to look for that chicken. I eat a lot of it. A few cans of it, a box of crackers and some low fat miracle whip is my back up work lunch plan.

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    1. Aluminum cased ammo works fine. I've shot some CCI Blazer with no trouble. But, since I reload, it just makes more sense to me to pay the extra five dollars a box and get the brass. I can reload 9mm seven or eight times before I have to discard the cases.

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  6. I think that JUGM is correct on ordering the food by the case. I would do that for customers on occasion when I worked in retail.

    I was a brain dead teenager back in the 80's (as opposed to being a brain dead doofus in his 40's now) but I'll toss this out for consumption assuming that it'll get shot down.

    I see things being set up now, due to a lack of proper attention by TPTB in DC that future administrations will have to deal with that will put them in odd, untenable situations, and no one will be happy with how things are dealt with over in that part of the world.

    I'm not justifying things like not allowing the rifles to be "cocked and locked". that's just wrong. But I wonder if some of this was carry-over from when our nutty-buddy from Plains, Georgia from when he let IRAN run all over us. Even now IRAN has major influence. I don't suspect that just because we changed presidents back then, that all of a sudden that Iran just stopped what ever they were doing covertly.
    Same thing for now. I'll also remind everyone that even now Carter is out there saying some weird stuff about the PLO and Palestine that is anti-Israel.

    No I can't imagine being at odds with Israel back then, I view all terrorists as many view snakes, being the only good one is a dead one and I am glad you have such a good recollection of events back then. I never heard any of this on the news then or now, and I do remember the coverage when they bombed those marine barracks. I've learned more from you about that set of events than I ever did from the news.

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    1. again let me say, because I know all this is still strong with you, that I'm not carrying Reagan's water on how he managed this, but it wouldn't have been the only mess of Carter's that he had to clean up.

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    2. I haven't ever seen a good reason for "restraining" Israel. The party line at the time was that Syria might be drawn in, and that might give the Soviet Union an opportunity to move troops into the middle east, as part of "multinational force" to separate the two sides. Once the Russians get in, they never leave of their own free will. But nobody really bought that outside of D.C. If the Russians had wanted to put troops in the Middle East, Syria would have let them at any time, without an excuse. I think that there were a lot of people in the State Department who looked with favor on the PLO, murderous bastards though they were. We know there was an American source in the State Department that kept the PLO informed of American intent, because Arrafat bragged about it, and numerous PLO sources confirmed it. Phillip Habib was pro Arab and anti Israeli, it doesn't take much research into his background to figure out why. Israel finally agreed to the evacuation of the PLO from Beirut because they didn't relish the house to house fighting that going into Beirut was forcing them to engage in. Reagan had some prize fools advising him, and his cabinent members and advisers that had a little sense were too busy fighting each other and jockeying for power to pay any attention to anything else. Weinberger and Schultz edged Alexander Haig out of the State Department just as all this started blowing up.

      There were so many very, very stupid things forced on the military by the politicians there that it had to end in disaster, one way or the other.

      The Iranians were behind the bombing. The French knew it and went after the Iranian training camps in Lebanon, but Reagan preferred to attack the Syrians because they were a less thorny adversary. He did this even after the CIA knew the Iranians masterminded the bombing.

      Oh,well. It's forgotten history now but it shouldn't be. If our President could spare some time from golfing to read a little bit, he might learn some things that would help him now. But no chance of that.

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  7. I enjoy those flavored canned chicken flavors - I often team them up with the standard unflavored canned chicken product, add some chopped onion and two hard boiled eggs to make some awesome chicken salad fillings for sandwiches. Very convenient these.

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    1. Canned meat like chicken tastes pretty good to me, and makes it easy to come up with quick meals that don't cost a lot per serving. It also helps brighten up what could quickly become a drab diet of long term storage food.

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    2. Or an outdoor 'picnic'. My brother and I used to carry what we termed 'Wetback MREs', which were Vienna Sausage wrapped in bread. Good if you are hungry, but kinda 'blah' - know what I mean ? Especially when its cold and that Vienna Sausage liquid has turned nearly to wax - bleh!

      These canned chicken, kept chilled in a little Oscar ice chest, an envelope of mayo - dang - Good!

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    3. I used to like Vienna Sausage until one day I read what was in them and that was that. My wife still likes them and we buy them in big 12 packs.

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  8. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    Yeah' I was also a brain dead teenager during that era of the 80's. I remember the attack on the Marines compound with that suicide bomber truck and hearing about the Marines having unloaded weapons at the gate.
    I don't know the whole story. I don't think anyone really knows the whole story in fact. If they do, they wont release the info as fear of embarrassment to some otherwise 'steller careers" in the state department.

    The only logic I can make out of the situation is that it was all political. Some generals, state department employee's, Reagan cabinet members let the Marines get slaughtered.
    I'm sure that was their thinking and excuse. Marines and other service members are 'canon fodder'
    Leaders throughout history have created 'patriotic cults' to lure men into battles over wealth, ego, etc.
    Things are so screwed up now I can no longer recommend any young man to join our armed forces. I can say that because I am a veteran. If I meet a young person with that starry look on their face and they ask me what I think. I say if you want to serve your community, join a volunteer fire department or volunteer at a rest home or hospital or something.
    Our country is in decline and if we stay on this course our country I fear will desolve like ancient Rome, mired in its own corruption and lust for war over dwindling resources.

    The whole deal in Syria is about running natural gas pipelines to Europe. The Russians are telling Syrian President Assad to stop the pipelines and he the Russians will support Syria against the rebels.

    The Russians don't want to lose their monopoly on natural gas to southern Europe.

    The whole deal on the Ukraine is about keeping the Ukrainians from taxing the already existing natural gas pipelines going from Russia to Southern Europe.

    I starting to think there maybe some credence to the "Peak Oil" thing. I am skeptical, however observing what is happening now I am reconsidering my position on the "Peak Oil Thoery"

    I will keep an open mind.

    One thing I am certain about is about the decline of the U.S. I don't promote the idea, and I sure as hell don't want to see it happen. However I believe under current conditions, all paths lead to self destruction.

    Their are no logical conclusions unless we have a radical conservative, Constitutional change. If that was the case then paying off our debt to China and reestablishing our currency would be the first step in long process. That would create confidence in our system, along with repeal of laws like Obamacare and the Patriot act would pave the way further.

    I don't see anything like that happening so I think we are 'doomed'

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    1. History shows that all civilizations rise and fall after a period of decay. I think we hit our peak in the early 1950's, and have been sliding downhill since then. The main question is when will it reach the point that there isn't any "country" anymore, and something takes the place of the current form of government.

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  9. We eat canned tuna, salmon and chicken often at breakfast time. I just think the boys need some protein in the morning. Mica really doesn't like eggs, so nuts, seeds and canned meat are other options.

    It's too bad you don't have a Costco near by. They are a great store to go to for canned goods. They keep the boxes.

    I don't mind Subway. It's better than a lot of fast food type places. My favorite fast type place is Pepper Jax. I usually spend about the same there as I would Subway. I can get 2 meals out of their rice bowls.

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    1. Alissa, all of those are good protein sources. I don't like canned salmon but I think I should buy some cases of it because it is inexpensive and you can make tasty things with it , I just haven't made the effort and I should.

      I am going to buy some food from Costco on line. They sell it pretty reasonably and sometimes they have specials where the shipping is free.

      Subway is ok, I guess I am just a hamburger person. I never heard of a Pepper Jax, we must not have them down here. In my town we have a Burgher King, a McDonalds, and a Zaxby's and that's it in the way of fast food.

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  10. I do canned chicken all the time for my supplies. And when tossed in with a box of Uncle Ben's 5 minute rice, you've got a meal for two that you can cook on a Coleman stove or open fire.

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    1. I cook up "rice in a bag" and chicken. Sometimes I eat it just like that, and sometimes I scramble some eggs and make stir fry. Rice and chicken are a good combination. They both keep a long time and are easy to transport if need be.

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  11. Funny, I had a subway, well, a half one yesterday too. I agree with Alissa above about Costco, it is a fun store to shop in and I love their bread. It was 40 degrees here this morning, it will soon be freezing and I can't wait to get rid of this very long, very hot, dry summer we've had. Personally, I wish the United States would keep our military out of the middle east. There is no winning there, as far as I can see.

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    1. Inger,

      I tend to agree, and at the same time I think ISIL will eventually try to hit us here, so I am conflicted about it. They seem to be growing by leaps and bounds, and their ability to recruit Europeans and Americans is unsettling.

      We don't have a Costco within driving range. I wish we did but I have recently learned they sell many of their products on line and I will be taking advantage of that.

      Subway isn't bad, but it's my second choice behind a good hamburger joint!

      It was chilly here this morning too, and is still cool and breezy outside. I think we are all ready for winter to come, if only for a change of scene.

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  12. Harry,

    We've had canned chicken, never the chicken in water with apple wood smoke flavor.
    That is a good price per can, I can see why you bought all the cans up.
    I pickup canned chicken, and I also can fresh chicken to put up in the pantry for stews, soups, dumplings, and pot pies.

    Picking up ammo here in OK isn't so bad, there seems to be plenty of the shelves of any caliber.

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    1. Since we only have two grocery stores, I always buy as much of anything I see I need as I can afford without going over budget. It might be two weeks or more before canned chicken reappears on the shelf , unless I buy Tysons which is more expensive.

      Maybe the ammo shortage is over. I hope so, because it would be one less thing to worry about if I knew I could go down to town and buy more whenever I wanted to.

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    2. Ammo shelves at my local Cabelas 5 miles away is overflowing. They just got three palates in yesterday. 22s still flying off the shelves as soon as they are stocked. I managed to score one of 5 boxes of Winchester Bulk 555 count for 32 $. First one I have seen in years, almost did not recognize it til I saw hands reaching for it at a rate that clued me in that there was something desirable in that stack. They also had couple dozen boxes of CCI Minimags and as many of regular CCI that were flying off quickly as well. Tons of HMR .117. Local Walyworld shelves seem rather bare. They had none of the Federal aluminum cased 9mm.

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    3. That's pretty steep. I have a good many of those 555 packs, because I used to pick up one or two when we went to Walmart for groceries, back before all the shortages and price increases. Our Walmart has tons of ammo now, and I want to buy a little bit more .44 magnum and .357 while I can. My concern is that some ISIS wannabe is going to shoot up a mall, and as soon as that happens Barack Hussein will use it as an excuse to ban ammo sales. Sounds far fetched but stranger things have happened with less idiotic Presidents.

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  13. It is sweet that your mom sends you subway cards. Good deal on the chicken!

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    1. My mom still sends me packages. She puts things I like in them, like dried apricots, international flavor coffee, peanuts, beef jerky, etc. I am not sure why she does that. She used to send me packages when I was in college, and she sent them to me in the Marines when I was overseas, before I got married. But after my dad passed away she started doing it again. She sends me all these fast food joint cards too. I always thank her but I'm mid sixties now and it hardly seems necessary for her to go to the trouble.

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