"There is no doubt that our nation's security and defeating terrorism trump all other priorities."

Arlen Specter

Sunday, June 12, 2016

Another "gun free" zone shot to pieces, and the politicians scramble to cover their asses.


I have been watching the news about the terrorist attack in Orlando.  It does not seem to strike anyone as overly strange that this guy was interviewed by the FBI three times, that he was known to have met with Syrian terrorists face to face, or that his coworkers had warned the FBI he was spouting Jihadist drivel and touting his connections with ISIS.

I watched a member of the House Select Committee on Intelligence on Fox.  Of course, he is going to be in hot water when people do start asking questions about this latest failure of the intelligence community. So he ranted and raved about the fact that this individual was able to buy a gun.  No matter that the terror suspect wasn't charged with anything by the FBI and had no record. What the politicians want is for the FBI or some other government bureaucracy to be able to strip Americans of their constitutional rights on "a hunch."  Like the "no fly" list where hundreds of people have ended up on the list for no reason at all.  Nobody needs to wonder where that slippery slope would lead if they know anything at all about the federal government. Wouldn't be long before your postal carrier would be putting you on the "no gun" list because you didn't tip him enough at Christmas. The feds routinely arrest militia members , on the strength of no evidence at all. But this Moslem, well, that would have been racist, wouldn't it.  So we have to wait til he kills a bunch of people before they can get him off the street. Because he's "special."






The politician I was watching, Eric Swalwell, 15th District CA. has some legal issues going on,  so maybe he was distracted.  But not too distracted to say "Thank God for the Swat Team and that armored vehicle they used to breach the building." At which point, the host said "but isn't that the same type of armored vehicle which both you and President Obama want taken from police inventory?"  Swalwell choked on that one and started some lame excuse so I turned it off. He's an idiot, which is no doubt why he's a politician.




It's hard for me to believe that this terrorist  was able to gun down nearly 100 people, dead and wounded. Why didn't somebody pick up a bar stool and brain him?  I listened to witness after witness. When they heard shooting, they hid or "fell to the floor."  The police took more than 3 hours to storm the building, during which time this "Moslem American" shot more individuals up. Apparently not one person took any action to defend themselves.  Well, the government has been teaching people from childhood that it's wrong to defend yourself, you have to wait for a person "in authority" to protect you, and that's what these people did. Didn't work out too well for them.



I'm really sorry for those people, and for their families. The Sardine Defense didn't work for them. I'm not an advocate of that particular survival plan, myself.





Thought for the Day.



49 comments:

  1. *Sigh*... another atrocity, another gun grab... Same stuff, different day. I am SOOOOOO sick of it. Evidently the guy was employed by a contractor as a Federal Security Guard of some sort. No doubt that job came with a background check, as did his carry permit, and the NICS check when he bought his guns. I don't know about YOUR guns Harry, but all of mine sit quite still unless I go pick one up. Did they ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe it is the intent of the owner of the hand???
    I went to the big local gun show today, as planned, and bought more ammo. It was not nearly as packed as I would have expected. I did OK on my purchases and as always saved the shipping. Thoroughly enjoyed being part of Americas gun culture today. Screw the Democrats, screw the Republican'ts, and screw people that get their jollies out of murdering the defenseless. What have they done to our country...

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    1. It really is pathetic. But these things tend to happen in towns and cities. Particularly in cities, you get large numbers of Sheeple who have no concept of personal responsibility. Sometimes, they have to pay the price for their lack of common sense.

      I ordered some more items this week from Sportsmans Guide. I think I may place another order in the morning, primarily for areas I am not overstocked in.
      I could not agree with your last sentence more, if my life depended on it. That pretty well articulates how I feel about it.

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  2. Harry, if I ever die in an attack, and I was laying down when I got shot, it will be because that was the position I was in when I was returning fire.

    As it stands though, I avoid crowds as much as possible.

    No one deserves what those people got, I just wish several had been able to return fire.

    I hate that they couldn't wait for the bodies to cool before they started blood dancing and using it as a political tool. I'm just glad that it was a Muslim. It at least gives Mr. Trump the ability to rub the Democrats' noses in it.

    The shooter (muslim) was a registered Democrat. Most gays are as well. Both are protected groups. I'm surprised that the dictator didn't run out and call it "workplace violence."

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    1. Yeah, it's hell when a member of one "special"group attacks members of another "special group" isn't it? I bet Obama was coughing blood because the shooter wasn't white and Christian.

      Over a hundred people, and not one single solitary person appears to have taken proactive action. Seems like somebody could have thrown a beer bottle and brained the guy if nothing else. But I guess it's hard to strike back if you are under a table or behind the commode.

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  3. Hey Harry,

    I have been watching this latest incident online off and on all day. I came to the same conclusion. People know longer know how to fight.
    This stuff will keep happening I fear. Isis has the upper hand since our government is too chickenshit (pardon my French) to do anything about it. It reminds me of Bengazi. I watched the movie Bengazi the other day. It was a really good movie, I strongly recommend it.
    No one wants to take the fight overseas and put 'many boots on the ground' back in the Middle East, Persian Gulf. No one wants to remove the 'Rules of Engagement" that tie the hands of our warriors.
    I think a big part of what is really behind all this is the powers in the world that want America destroyed so the 'New World Order' garbage can be implemented. Same as Europe. Send in millions of Muslim men into Europe. Let them get on the welfare dole and collapse capitalism. Now the only problem with that plan is the muslims will take over Western Europe and turn it into a 'Sharia Megastate'
    The bad guys have the same plan for us. Introduce millions of unemployed illegals and legals, from every third world hell hole, but that will back fire and create a 'balkinized' country and tear apart the fabric of the United States I fear.

    'Coexistance' has not worked in 5,000 years of human history. What makes them think it will work now?

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    1. I think that's a succinct analysis of what's going on. I noticed several articles about riots in Europe because the "refugees" felt like the "feast" they were provided gratis by their hosts for some Moslem holiday were not "lavish" enough. Well, the Europeans are going to have to pay for their mistakes, like everybody else. We let the Hispanics in by the millions, they are letting the Moslems in, and the result will be disaster for both Americans and Europeans.

      I think what you said in your comment is spot on.

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  4. Harry - this might seem off topic but i feel the need to share this with you. jambaloney got us a bunch of baseball bats. yep - the aluminum kind. hidden in every room of the house. i would invite you, Harry, and commander zero (?) to come and find as many as you can find. you might find a few but you certainly wouldn't find all of them. and we do practice drills with the bats as well as the weapons. because sometimes he is off fishing, sometimes he is on-site at work and sometimes i am off meandering around the property and he is in the house or near the house. forget our weapons that we are both certified and trained to use...nothing better than a baseball bat upside the head of an intruder who doesn't know the layout of your house and certainly isn't expecting to get belted in the head with a baseball bat when breaking into your house. have i ever told you about the number of canned beans that we have laying around the house for such matters. or how many cast iron frying pans we have in certain strategical places. oh yes, we have our weapons...but we also have cape breton ingenuity.

    the mere fact that no one in that club had the sense to start throwing bottles and glasses and tables at ONE FRICKIN GUY astounds me. i sure do hope that none of his brethren ever make it out this way. cuz they will die a slow horrible death. our matriarch who is 86 years old STILL holds the cast iron frying pan throw in our yearly competitions.

    'nuff said i think. and only one question - how could a club of whatever you want to call them let this happen? there must have been hundreds of them in that club.

    am i being politically-incorrect? i don't mean to be. but why didn't someone take that guy out way sooner. my blood is boiling. and you are friend enough...and i have enough deep south ancestors (actually i have none) for you to understand. a can of freakin beans lopped at that guys head would have taken him out. but yes - let's all go and get assault weapons like certain people on the interwebs encourage people to have. instead of ordinary weapons like cans of beans and baseball bats left in strategic positions. i don't know - maybe us canadian military and canadian people have different strategic ideas for taking down LONE idiots. 50 people murdered and 50 people injured?>????? and no one did anything??? i just can't see that happening. and i certainly don't understand it. gay club or not. someone should have stepped up. sorry if i blathered too much.

    sending much love as always. your friend,
    kymber

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    1. Kymber, I know what a big part of the problem is. When I was teaching, we were supposed to train the kids that they should never, ever, under any circumstances, take any kind of proactive decision in an emergency. The correct way to respond to any emergency was to go to a person in "authority." I told my kids, boys and girls, that if you were being bullied you needed to stand up for yourselves first, then tell the teacher. This wasn't a philosophical issue. On the playground there were usually a couple of hundred kids and two teachers at the staggered break times. It wasn't possible for a teacher to see everything that was going on immediately. Sometimes a kid couldn't get away from a bully, and we had plenty of those. But this conflicted with the official guidance from Atlanta, where we had an education department staffed with left wing academics. People who had never taught and had no concept of what a school was really like. They would come flouncing in to give the teachers "training" and I had to restrain myself from laughing out loud.

      My brother T is a year younger than I am, but he has a young wife and they had a boy. When my nephew hit elementary school, he ran into the same nonsense out there. When someone from a higher grade tried picking on him, Cody beat the tar out of him. So, he got suspended and the principal wanted to "see" my brother. Big mistake, T laughed in the guys face and said that Cody had done exactly the right thing, that T expected him to do it again if need be, and that he and Cody were taking the week off to take the boat out and go fishing. Unfortunately, most parents don't react like that. So kids grow up with no concept that they can take care of themselves. No idea that they ought to take care of themselves. That's how one Islamic terrorist with a rifle and a pistol can kill or wound a hundred people without being scratched until the police finally decide to act.

      If everybody just tries to hide or play dead, the shooter has plenty of time to polish off his victims.

      We have, after more than ten years of war, a lot of veterans who have different ideas about how to react, but apparently in this particular venue none of them were present.

      There's nothing wrong with a baseball bat. I keep handguns in strategic places around the house because I don't want to close with an intruder. There's also the fact that unlike Canada, an intruder here will almost certainly be armed. Felons can obtain weapons on the black market without any difficulty at all. That's one of the reasons I have to shake my head when I hear people saying "we need laws that prevent people from having guns." We have plenty of laws that "prevent" people from getting dope too, and that hasn't worked out too well for us.

      You can't buy an assault weapon in the United States unless you undergo a thorough background check, pay a special tax, and find one you can afford which is no mean trick. You can buy an AR-15 semi-auto which is not a lot different than a semi-auto deer rifle. Personally, I have a couple and I also have a number of AK-47 rifles. They aren't really a part of my collecting activities, which tend to the old bolt guns. They're for personal defense.

      It's a matter of choice, I guess. We have a lot of problems here with Hispanic gangs doing their dope business in the national forest. I don't do a whole lot of wandering around in the national forest these days for health reasons and because of my age, but there's always the possibility that I will run into some of them. The old man at the foot of the mountain did, when a car load of them drove up and demanded to use the bathroom in his house. You never know. So I like the additional protection that a semi-auto provides for me and my wife.

      Different strokes for different folks, as they used to say many years ago.

      I enjoyed your comment. As always.

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    2. Harry - have you been reading the reports out now from survivors who say that there was more than one gunman? this is really starting to look false-flag to me....would love to hear your opinion on this.

      u no hoo

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    3. Kymber, I haven't heard that here. But I am only referring to television and radio news. I haven't been on the net a lot the last few days, I need to check around and see what's up with this. Thanks for the heads up.

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  5. Even if they'd had guns, the hammers would probably snagged on their panty-hose.

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    1. You never know, Gorges. I wasn't very impressed with the "survivors" I saw on tv yesterday. They looked weak and effeminate. But I have known some homosexual men who were the sort you wanted on your side when things got dangerous. I'm not making any kind of value statement, just that some of these guys are pretty tough. We had some like that in the Marines, but nobody cared as long as they did their jobs and didn't make an issue of the thing.

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    2. So if there was another shooting (Dylan Rood style) in a church, would the hammers get snagged on the bibles?
      Pantyhose?

      Statistics show that a percentage of the 3% crowd, oath keeper crowd, patriot crowd, preparedness crowd, etc. are gay. Just like Harry said, the sort you wanted by your side.
      Any segment of society is going to have a % that represents what the media has told us to imagine they are. These same segments also have people that are, amazingly enough, a lot like you.

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    3. Georges is a good guy. He has strong religious beliefs, strong morals. I respect him for that.

      I have no doubt my two brothers , and a lot of other people, would concur with his position.

      I tend to be more in line with your thinking in this case, but I don't get wrapped around the axle on it. I know it's highly contentious.

      I usually steer clear of anything like this because I don't want to set my friends off against each other.

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    4. Dylan Rood... damn auto correct, when have I ever used the word Rood instead of Roof? sigh.
      I know a lot of people think the same way as Gorges on this subject and the GLBT community hasn't done anything to change these perceptions. In every segment there seems to be a "normal way to act/be/dress" etc. and in most cases, that's not helping change the way the segment is represented in the media or on the street.
      Be yourself, not everyone else... but I know that's not always easy.

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    5. Max - a dear friend - i will stand behind Gorges because i know of his beliefs and respect the integrity of his beliefs. Gorges would never harm another person based on their age, ethnicity, race, or sexual practices. he has his own set of beliefs and has lived enough time on this earth to have learned his set of beliefs. i support his beliefs, admire his beliefs and respect him for his beliefs. i think that Gorges was making a very vast general statement about how none of them did anything about stopping the shooter. gay or not gay...shouldn't someone at least bull-rushed the shooter with a table acting as a shield or something. i hope this comment is respectful first, to Harry's blog, secondly to my friend Max and thirdly to my dear friend Gorges. it's very easy to understand/not understand written word. and i hope that i haven't added to any confusion.

      a friend to all of you, respecting all of your opinions,
      kymber

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    6. Max,
      I know what you are saying. One reason I just steer clear of this is that I can't figure out the right or wrong of it myself.

      Kymber,

      It's all good. I don't think anyone is mad and everybody is welcome to express their views here, you know that. As long as they aren't obnoxious SOB's and nobody was in this case.

      I know that with no body language, no voice inflection, etc it can be easy to give the wrong impression. I'm pretty sure that's what happened with a fellow I used to read on a daily basis and haven't read in years now.

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  6. They wanted multiculturalism and now they got it, and it don't taste so nice. This POS had made threats before. His coworkers had reported him as doing so and nothing was done because he was muslim. He called 911 before he murdered those people and said he was doing it in the name off Islam an ISIS. Yet today the idiot at the white house once again ignores facts and seeks to obfuscate the truth saying we don't really know the murderer's motivation and instead firmly blames the guns suggesting we must regulate them even further. Its enough to make your head explode.
    Lewis Amselm said it best in his column today:
    http://www.thediplomad.com/2016/06/the-magic-kingdom-meets-islamic.html
    "We must recognize that the threat comes not from this or that "radicalized" individual, cell, or group in caves in Afghanistan or Syria, or in dingy flats in London, Amsterdam, Brussels, Paris, Sydney, or New York. The threat comes from Islam, itself. The "crazies," the jihadis, the radicals, the Islamists, whatever you want to call those dying to meet their quota of brown-eyed virgins, understand their creed well. Islam does not mean peace. Islam does not preach tolerance and love for one's fellow human beings. Islam does not portray non-Muslims as equals or even as fit to live unless they convert, or pay a special tax and do not propagate their non-Islamic faith. Even as practiced today, and remember these are not just words in old forgotten tomes, Islam advocates lying to nonbelievers, and for the enslavement and the killing of those nonbelievers."

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    1. It's political correctness. There is also an element of "if we say this often enough maybe it will become true."

      The headline of one of the news channels web pages today said it all. "Shooter was reported by coworker but nothing was done because he was Muslim." That is exactly what happened.

      The FBI thinks nothing of arresting four old men who sat in a McDonalds drinking coffee and were overheard saying that the country would be better off if someone whacked Obama.
      But the FBI interviewed this A.H. three times, knew that he had been in contact with Syrian terrorists, knew that he was making threats to kill large numbers of "Kaffirs" in the name of the Islamic State, and they did exactly nothing. Why? Because he wasn't white, and he was a Moslem.

      All this B.S. about more gun regulation is classic slight of hand. The Obama lick spittles don't want to admit they can't stop this kind of thing, so they try to do a little slight of hand and change the subject to gun control. Even in Britain, with it's strict gun laws, guns are easily obtainable on the street and the same would be true here if we banned them. The only people who would be disarmed are decent people. It wouldn't stop the trash any more than banning drugs has stopped the drug trade.

      If Trump gets elected, for all his many faults, something may be done about Islamic Terrorism. If Shrillery gets into office, it will be more Alice in Wonderland than Blowjama has been. If that's possible.

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  7. In honor of Obama's stupid speech hinting at more gun control, I bought another gun today Of course Obama knows what he is doing....fundamentally changing America, just like he promised. Into a Muslim country. It is part of Agenda 21.

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    1. I ordered more ammunition. Obama is one of a long line of left wing social engineers, that started with L.B.J. They pull all the levers to "improve" society, but they don't know anything about the society they are monkeying with. We are living in the result of that stupidity.

      He did promise to fundamentally change the nature of American society when he was first elected, and he has certainly done that. The results have been catastrophic in many ways, but he and his ilk could care less. They don't live in the mess they've created. They live up in Cloud Coo Coo Land, gated communities, bodyguards, and $460 "brunches" by the pool, one of Michelle's favorite activities.

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  8. We can't figure this out either, how was he able to shoot so many people. If you were going to get shot anyway, why not rush the guy? And Obama says we can see how easy it is to get guns, based on this incident. Yeah, the guy went through security checks but was investigated at least twice, back to 2013 for terrorist ties? AND he was FEDERAL. How could this happen unless they wanted it to?

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    1. It's like the Morelocks and the Eloi in The Time Machine. So many people in this country have had any sense of responsibility for themselves bred out of them, that they are helpless cattle. That's why the term "Sheeple" came into being.

      It simply never occurred to the victims in this shooting, and in many others, to kill the people killing them or die trying. All they could think of to do was run or hide. So the butchers just take their time and do a thorough, methodical job of it. Even 100 teenagers could stomp a shooter to death by accident if they surged over him.

      I think this happened because no individual federal agent wanted to take the chance of initiating any action against a Moslem. He would have gotten no backing from his superiors if he had, and would probably have wound up being thrown under the bus. Sure, this Islamist eventually killed 40 people and wounded another 50, but the people at the FBI will keep their jobs, nobody will get a bad fitness report or have their career damaged, and hey, that's what it's all about.

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  9. Harry-this incident just sickens me. Our education system has taught our children to be like sheep. We hear so much against bullying, but kids are not taught to fight back. Instead, they are told to go tell a teacher, then are sent to the counselor to make sure they are not emotionally scarred. If they do fight back, they get into trouble and told that violence is never the answer. So, we end up like the people in this massacre. Jana

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    1. Jana, I have seen that first hand. What's even sadder, is that many parents go in and grovel before some lefty principal who punishes their children for standing up for themselves. No moral courage, and they pass that trait right on to their kids.

      We are going to see a lot more of these things, and if Clinton gets into office, God help us all.

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  10. I worked with two people that were against homosexuality and abortion. They would never act in a harmful way against an abortion clinic, or a gay person. They certainly were very blunt about their thoughts. I just thought it was odd because they worked at an art college. I'm not saying that art students are all gay, or all for abortion. No one is really for abortion. They just feel it's a difficult choice that a woman has to make at times. I'm going on a rant, sorry.

    Anyhow...just because this guy was anti gay doesn't mean that he was just against gays. He had a level of anger that would have gone off on someone(s), some other time.

    The fact that the FBI was on his trail, and he was a security guard and allowed to get guns freely...is crazy.

    I have a few friends that are gay. They'd give me their shirts off their back. I don't know that they'd be any stronger in this given situation though. They are not really the survivalist types. More the decorate your world kind of people. I'm sure there are plenty of gay people that are survivalists though.

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    1. Alissa. I don't really know what to say about homosexuality. I know that to many of my associates it's an abomination, based on their religious beliefs. I would never tell any of them they are wrong.

      On the other hand, I personally am more inclined to take it on an individual basis. If somebody pulls their weight and acts like a decent human being, that's enough for me. If they dress up in chains and black fishnet stockings and crawl down the road in a parade, I am not very impressed. I find that disgusting. But basically , I don't care what Joe S**t the Ragman's proclivities are in that direction if he pulls his weight and does the job. It just isn't something on my skyline.

      As for abortion, I don't much get involved in that either. I don't think my wife and I would ever have considered something of that nature. But it isn't a high enough priority with me to get my back up over.

      I don't think you are ranting. Both those issues are tough ones, hard to figure out, hard to decide what's right. I suppose it doesn't impact on me that much because I love history and I know that most societies in the past didn't care one way or the other. The Japanese, for instance, didn't even have a word for homosexual relationships until the Portuguese showed up in the 1500's.

      I'm not sure the shooter was anti-gay. I know that Islamists reserve some pretty unpleasant ways of getting rid of people specially for homosexuals. Throwing them off a roof top is one of their favored methods. Maybe this guy was just figuring he'd get rid of some infidels and gay people at the same time. Kind of a two for one thing.

      The people that I knew in the service (who are the only homosexuals I have worked with that I know of) were not the swishy sissy boy types. That's why they survived in the Marines, they just weren't different than anyone else except in that respect,and they kept that part of their lives separate from the rest of it.

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    2. I'm pretty anti abortion. I could never of had one. On the flip side I know my nephew with all his problems - many women that carry a baby with all his issues may choose to abort. I don't think I could judge them for it. Those babies often have a hole in their brain, heart and all other issues. I don't think people should abort as a form of birth control.

      I do struggle with homosexuals having kids. I think it's odd that they could adopt before it was legal for them to get married. A child learns different things from a mom vs. a dad. They lead difficult lives, and here they have children that have no choice, but to join in on that journey. I think the same with single parents to. If something happened to my husband; I'd most certainly want a strong male role in their lives.

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    3. Abortion as a form of birth control is not moral, from my perspective. In some instances, abortion may be justified. I think you are right about a family being comprised of a man and a woman, and that kids need that. Then I consider the fact that there are way more kids needing homes than have one. Better to have two daddies than to stay in the foster care system which produces broken people and little else. It's a case , I think, of having to take the best you can get and anything is better than foster care.

      We think a lot alike, from the looks of it.

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    4. The foster care system is so messed up! There's a video https://youtu.be/lOeQUwdAjE0 I actually had my kids watch. It's a bit graphic. I told them, "If you don't feel like you can watch this tell me, and I'll turn it off. Then we'll talk about it." They watched the whole thing, and the video that's linked to it. We talked afterwards. I said, "It's ok to not like certain kids at school. You don't have to be friends with everyone. I just want you to know that not all kids have easy lives. You have kids at your school that were in the foster care system. It's important to understand why they act out. People do change somewhat." I think they get it.

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    5. Foster care in America today is right out of a Dicken's novel. I had an associate whose wife was an employee of the state and involved in that. She eventually had to quit, she just couldn't stand seeing the kids fed into the machine and ground up.

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  11. I thought this site was interesting: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/06/12/there-was-more-than-one-shooter-at-pulse-in-orlando/

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    1. I'll take a look. Thanks, Alissa.

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    2. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/multiple-suspects-loose-orlando-why-media-blackout-eyewitness-accounts

      The TV news bunch is lying to us again.

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    3. Do they ever stop? If ABC news said the moon was crashing into the earth I wouldn't believe it til I went outside and saw for myself.

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  12. Harry i agree with everything you stated. We have been brainwashed into the thought processes of it will never happen here. This could have happened at anyplace like Disney World, Sea World, Universal, Bush Gardens, even Six Flags. The liberals have done a good job of changing the way America thinks. Guns bad, so is hate, Wake up people.

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    1. They don't call them sheeple for nothing, Rob. I got a Sheeple comment on this post that was so inane and thoughtless I didn't post it, out of compassion for the writer. I didn't want them to be publicly humiliated.

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  13. *sigh* I said the same exact thing to senior when we heard this was breaking news yesterday morning. How is it, in a club of over 300 people did SOMEONE not think to knock the crap out of him with a bar stool. Then Senior said well, look where he was ..a gay bar. ohhhhhhh then the light bulb came on.
    Had it been a biker bar, things might have turned out differently.

    I am sad this happened in my home state, but its what happens when one set of protected liberals wages war on the other... and we are all supposed to be tolerant of each.
    If whites kills blacks then its racial and a hate crime...
    so how will they label this when muslims kills gays?????

    I am sorry this happened in my home state. But it shows you the

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    1. JUGM, I recognized the irony of a member of one protected group attacking members of another protected group as soon as this came out. I wait with great interest to see the reaction to it.

      Hillary was making a big speech in Cleveland this afternoon. She said we need to love the Moslems here as they can help us prevent this. It's pretty clear to me she doesn't understand that just because you take one of these people and bring them to America, they don't instantly throw over everything they have been taught all their lives and become like Hillary. They come here for economic advantage, free handouts, and safety. But they don't love us or admire us, or want to be like us. Have you seen some of the footage of the shooters father? If he hadn't been allowed to come here in the first place, then his son wouldn't be here and the fifty people killed in Orlando would be fine.

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    2. the reaction to it was to blame the AR-15 and Glock he used....

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    3. That's their SOP. You can't say anything negative about a protected minority member. So, they just ignore the facts and carp about guns. I notice nothing much is being said here in the states about the Islamic terrorist who went to the house of a police officer in France, broke in, killed the man with a knife, then killed the wife when the cops broke in. Streamed all live on facebook for the edification of his brothers. Obama and his clique just pass over that kind of thing in silence.

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  14. Harry - now i am reading reports that this was another false-flag??? your thoughts please. and see my response to you above about their being more than one shooter. jfk all over again? and to what purpose?
    u no hoo

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    1. Kymber, so far I haven't seen anything indicative of that. But it's early days yet.

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  15. Southwest Airlines is used by people who work for a living. The type of people that aren't sheeple. This occurred 1 year and 1 month before 9/11 on 11 August 2000. (copy from Wikipedia)

    "Southwest Airlines flight 1763 was a scheduled passenger flight, operated by Southwest Airlines, from McCarran International Airport, in Paradise, Nevada, to Salt Lake City International Airport, in Salt Lake City, Utah. On August 11, 2000, Jonathan Burton, a Las Vegas resident, stormed the cockpit door of the Boeing 737 operating the flight, in an apparent case of air rage. The 19-year-old was subdued by six to eight other passengers with such force that he died of asphyxiation.[1] The death was initially believed to have been a heart attack."

    Kevin Strawbridge

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    1. There are a lot of people out there who can think for themselves. Maybe I am wrong but most of them seem to be country people, or from rural backgrounds.

      Georgia had to implement a "good samaritan" law to protect proactive individuals from being sued for doing the right thing. That aspect of our culture may also have something to do with the lack of individuals willing to step up to the plate.

      Thanks for the comment. It's always good to be reminded that there are good people out there too.

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  16. Harry - read down this website...like read down a lot...he refers and links to other sites as well...i have other sites that i can link you to that are saying the same thing about false flag...read through a bunch of this:

    https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/

    and then let me know if you want to read the same kind of thing through other sites that i follow.

    u no hoo

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    1. Ok, Kymber. Thanks for the link. Let me take a look.

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  17. The saddest part is that there will be no end to these atrocities, hate doesn't understand reason or compassion.

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    1. It will keep up, but we can limit the odds by not letting people from stone age cultures into our country. If this shooters parents had not been allowed to immigrate here from Afghanistan, all those people would be alive today and the hospitals wouldn't be overflowing with wounded. I don't mind them practicing their religion, I just want them to do it somewhere else.

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