Yeah, well, the barbarians are already inside the gates, thanks to the enemy within. We honor our slain while our leaders send them to their deaths.
I have mixed feelings about fighting Islam on it's own turf. It makes it easier for the really hard corps fanatics to get at us there. But if we didn't, we'd be fighting their first string here and that wouldn't work out well. The ones that act out here should never have been allowed here, but they are just piss ants compared to what lurks overseas.
I am so thankful to have President Trump in office. I am very grateful for all of our military and the sacrifices they have made. Thank you Harry for your service. You are a brave patriot and a good, honorable man. God bless you! Jana
I am glad he's there too, Jana. It's been way too long since we had a real human being in that office. Even though he's blocked at every turn, through no fault of his own, at least he tries.I appreciate the kind words. There are a lot of people who don't agree with you but I don't publish Trolls. 😁
I was working out in the yard this morning when 4 WWII planes flew over head (2 mustangs, a corsair, and a hellcat I think). I went back in time for a few minutes and felt proud as I went back to work. A thoughtful Memorial day to you and all the folks who post here, especially the vets. --Troy
Troy, must have been a fly in somewhere near you to celebrate Memorial Day. I'd love to have seen those old warbirds overhead. The F6F was pretty close to the T-28 in configuration and performance, I was lucky to get to fly those before they went away.Memorial Day is like Oct. 23rd. It's a mixed blessing. But I'm glad so many people celebrate it.
We too are very happy to have Trump in office and also thankful he doesn’t pay any attention to all the whiners. Thanks to all that have served, you, my husband and all the veterans. A day to remember. We were watching some tv shows about WWII recently and the fighting in the pacific. I am 62 and have been stunned to see footage of what veterans went though. Was slightly aware since stu was a Huey pilot in Vietnam, Folks should spend some time seeing what was looks like, even if it is on tv, like I did. That would limit the whining.
I think one of the reasons folks have trouble "coming back" and fitting in, is that their understanding of the world has changed, but most of the people back in "the world" haven't. So the only people that they can talk to are people who have been through similar experiences. I'm sure that people who try to get a handle on it as best they can back home are a great help and comfort to those who need it. Especially wives and girl friends, who can make you or break you.
The Pacific War was truly hell. Undersupplied for a good portion of it, due to the emphasis on the European Theater and supporting the Soviets.I used to live on an island where 5,000 Japanese (and Korean 'guest' workers (slaves)) were wiped out in the span of 3 days in 1944. Walking on a place where you could, in the early '70s, still find bullets and an occasional piece of bone was very humbling.There was nothing nice about that side of the war. It was a fight to the death for either side.I am glad that we dropped the Bomb, twice, and ended the potential invasion of Japan, as prosecuting that battle would have bled the US of its troops and most likely would have killed who we were as a people (basically, we would have had to kill over 50%, more like 90% of the population to ensure 'victory' if we had had to invade.)Compared to that side of the war, even the worse of the Nazis and Fascists were paragons of civility. In comparison. We could mostly trust those evil critters to keep our prisoners alive and in reasonably good condition. For the most part.
My father in law and my uncle both fought in the Pacific as Marine infantry NCO's. Their battles included Okinawa, Saipan, and Iwo Jima. My dad was a navy Corpsman. I know next to nothing about his war as he refused ever to discuss anything about it. I do know he vehemently hated the Japanese until the day he died. I would far, far rather have fought against the Germans, than against the Japanese, not least because the German armed forces generally adhered to the "rules", just as we "generally" did. Your thoughts on the Pacific war agree with the view of most of the people I know. I personally like the Japanese, and admire them. I lived in Japan for 13 months and found a lot to like. I know the causalities involved in an invasion of Japan would have been horrific on our side, and beyond comprehension on the Japanese side. They were teaching school girls to attack our tanks with bamboo spears....
Harry, check out this site which has the official US Army Histories of the Pacific. Some of it is kinda dry, but they are well worth reading, dealing with everything from logistics, the battles and the after-action reports.https://history.army.mil/html/bookshelves/collect/ww2-ap.htmlBecause the Marines worked right along the Army, and everything was handled by the Navy, anything touching ground combat is faithfully reported and analyzed."Campaign in the Marianas" handles Saipan, Guam and Tinian, but not Iwo. Okinawa is covered in "Okinawa: The Last Battle"These are .pdf downloads, sometimes html, and were written right after the War.There are also the official History of the U.S. Marine Corps Operations in World War II series, covering all MC stuff. Available from http://paperlessarchives.com/wwii_marine_hist.html as .pdf files. The same site, http://paperlessarchives.com/wwii_marine_history_volumes.html has lots of other publications available, and a CD-Rom available for a ridiculously low price.The books I listed above show all the warts and farts and mistakes made by us, sometimes brutally, with lots of photographs and maps. Brutal in their honesty, as all good history books should be.
As to the Japanese, they are a very honorable and civilized people, for their definition of civilization. Very much not European style. I understand them as people, and I understand them as to their actions throughout history. Do I condone their actions towards us during WWII? Nope. They were a horror to fight, a horror to lose to, and a horror that had to be extinguished one way or another. The Rape of Nanking was just the tip of their 'alieness' to us and the western world. Those who wish us to encounter actual space aliens might want to take our interactions with Japan as a not-so-subtle hint that just because someone can make a plane or a ship that looks like our stuff doesn't make them 'us'.
The Japanese pretty well covered themselves with infamy during the war. Their actions gave "barbarian" a whole new dimension. While people like Saburo Sakai fought an honorable war, the average Japanese soldier and officer was prepared to inflict atrocities on anyone who got in their war. The Japanese I spent time with in the late seventies were from a different culture. No one could say that the Japanese today would behave like those of the 1930's and 1940's. My dad didn't care a damn for that, he wasn't into forgive and forget. It's just how it is.I'd say your synopsis is pretty accurate.
Sounds like an interesting resource. I'm always looking for places I can find specific facts about things I want to mention on the blog.
To us they were 'barbarians' but to their culture and other Asian cultures, they were actually kinda civilized. The whole nastiness of the Chi-Comms vs the Nationalists, the horror of North Korea, North Vietnam, Cambodia... Sometimes we as westerners need to understand that other cultures are, well, others. Sometimes radically different than ours.Heck, we see this in our inner cities and with the pajama people moving into our country.Aliens. At one time it was the Irish that were alien to 'us.' Then it was the Italians, the Portuagese, the Polish...Just that the Asians and the Africans tend to be even more alien than the aliens from Europe.Oh well, I hope to be dead before the world falls apart...Glad to spread the news about those excellent books. They are good, long, weighty historical tomes that are extremely well researched. Hard to find that in a good book these days.
Andrew, like everything else, I judge the actions of individuals and nations in the light of my own values. If I think something is wrong , I don't have much tolerance for it, regardless of whether or not another culture might think it is ok. I'm not much on the concept of accepting aberrant behavior because someone else says it isn't. I take your point, though.
Thanks for posting the Soldatenlied, and others. Like many others, my family members fought on both sides, against each other. I honor them all, and thank you again.
The German armed forces fought an honorable war, as much as it's possible to do so. I have had some knock down drag out arguments with people who get confused between "Nazi's" and German Soldiers. Even the Waffen SS, which gets so much abuse, was largely comprised of combat units that had nothing whatsoever to do with the camps. That was a function of the Allgemeine SS, a paramilitary force not associated with the Waffen SS. It's been a long time now since WW2, and not many people are interested in it. They get what little they know about the war from ridiculous movies written by Hollywood pimps that know nothing of the real history.
Yep, as you say, not many people are interested in it, and many of those that are are heavily influenced by entertainment. So it goes. It's hard to educate folks once they get their minds made up.Reality is that what happened pre-ww2, and post-ww2 still influences what's happening today. Then, of course, there are the still standing grudges, both from a national standpoint, and grudges between different groups. Humans are pretty interesting critters.I've had the same arguments with folks as you have had. I've been accused of being a Nazi, a Neo-Nazi, a Communist, Capitalist, and everthing else under the sun. All quite entertaining until the fists are thrown. Like I said, interesting critters.Grandpa was a Feldwebel in the Wehrmacht, Uncle was a Soldat in 6 Armee in Stalingrad (died, 19 years old), Dad was a Czech RAF Pilot/Navigator in daytime unarmed photo recon De Havilland Mosquitoes, etc etc. I still do research on them, find new records, and every so often actually find some very interesting new things.
I had the opportunity to talk with a lot of old German soldiers when I lived in Europe. I also read a lot of memoirs, and it's pretty apparent to me that most soldiers have the same basic outlook on warfare. It's not political to them. Guy Sajer's book made a huge impression on me in that respect.I had a friend here who had been in the German mountain troops during World War 2. He was a member of our shooting club. He was a great guy, and we all liked him. After the war, he went to Canada to live and eventually wound up down here. When he passed away we auctioned off his possessions, as he had told us to do, and sent the money to his family in Germany.You have a really interesting family history. Being Southern, family history is very important to me, and I can trace my family's military service back to the Revolutionary War. I think it's important to know where you come from and how you got where you are. Most people today don't.
I can think of no better words than the refrain from our ode to the fallen, always recited on Anzac Day... "They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them."In Honour of your sacrifices, from a friend who has fought in every action with the USA since your first battle on the Western front, Hamel, July 1918, when a platoon of "Doughboys" was attached to each Australian company going into the battle.
I appreciate your kind words , Sgt. I've always thought of the Australians as staunch allies. There are a series of books by an Australian author, 7 books in all, about a fictional invasion of Australia in modern times, by an "Asian" entity never named but pretty clearly Indonesia. In those books, the USA doesn't come to the aid of Australia, but satisfies itself with providing military equipment to New Zealand, which does. Given the antics of our limp wristed President (Bill Clinton) when the books were being written, I can understand that but it made me feel badly. I have to wonder though, if a Clinton or an Obama was President, would we just cut our closest allies loose, leave them in the lurch. I don't know the answer, maybe I don't want to know the answer...
Thanks Harry,I must look for these books, had not heard of them. You would be right in your assumption about Indonesia, they have always been our major threat, not China as many commentators seem to think. Without Australia's presence and influence in the South West Pacific Indonesia and China would be competing against each other to control the region. Clinton and Obama would have "cut us loose" in a second! between the two of them you would be hard pressed to find a thimble full of honour!!
Indonesia has a huge moslem population, and they need more "living space." I know Australia and Indonesia have had some "incidents", and I suppose that's what gave rise to the books. The first one is called "Tomorrow when the war began" and you can watch the movie version of it on Prime. I looked into it, out of curiosity, and the movie was a smash hit in Australia. A sequel was planned, then suddenly cancelled for no obvious reason.Clinton and Obama were both "Neville Chamberlain" types, willing to kiss any dictators behind (or any Saudi Kings ring". Anybody relying on those two for backup would have been in dire straits. Today, things are different here. Even if half our population is comprised of whining little sheeple.
Harry, Thank you for your service. I know you lost friends who gave there all.
Rob, long time ago. Thanks.
I'm in the minority here. I don't care for Trump. I didn't like Hillary either, so there's that. I hope one day we have more parties to choose from. Parties that people take seriously. I know there's the Green Party and the Libertarian Party. But if someone votes those extra parties because they firmly believe in the candidate, then people think they are throwing their vote away. Possibly they are, possibly they are just voting for who they feel is right for the job. I don't think of Trump as a real down to earth, easy to talk to person. I just picture him as a want to be powerful person that stands over people real big saying, "You're fired!". He doesn't get along with many of his own selected people, and his wife doesn't even live with him. I'm not picking on him, I'm not big on a lot of politicians. They are typically money hungry assholes that are not there for the common people. The only thing that got them in their position to begin with is money. Run ads to win, how do you run ads?, money! It's all about money and power. Not about character. Power can be a dangerous thing. Look at actors and all their issues right now. Some big names are going down. They thought they were above getting caught. Trump used to be on a reality show. He's right there with having power in his back pocket as far as I'm concerned.On Memorial Day I just spent time camping with my family. I haven't been able to go camping for 2 or 3 years because of my polyp filled nose. Some good has happened. Usually we go to Memorial Park, but didn't go this year. Mica's volunteering to work at the library again this year. The kick off party for that was on Saturday. He helped little kids make crowns. Not his choice of booth, but it is what it is. I'm glad he's willing to help.
Well, I know a lot of people , good people , have reservations about the Republicans and the Democrats. I was a Republican for more than forty years. But not any more, people like John McCaine have soured me on them, and their behavior during and after the election was so bad I am disassociating myself from them, both in daily life and at the ballot box.President Trump isn't perfect, but he thinks like I do on the important matters, and Shrillery was a nightmarish figure who would have brought total disaster to the country. Donald Trump could have had anything he wanted, lived anywhere he wanted, and been stress free. Instead, he waded in and tried to "drain the swamp", and thank God he did! I know everybody doesn't share my enthusiasm , but if they disagree with tact and honesty, I don't mind. There are a lot of people , on the other hand, I'd love to put up against the wall and settle their hash good. You belong to the first group, Alissa.People spend Memorial Day in different ways. What's important is that they give some quiet thought to what it celebrates, and I have no doubt you and yours did that. You've got good kids. They will make good citizens when they grow up. They have good parents, and a lot of kids don't have that advantage these days.
This has nothing to do with what you were talking about, but I thought you might like it.http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/trojans-at-large-fighter-performance-for-a-trainer-budget.htmlI want video of the bombing runs on the new neighbors..I personally have some difficulty with Memorial day. I have known many veterans of WW2, Korea, and some from Vietnam. They all had survived their wars, but almost all have passed on.. I wish to honor them (and do every chance I get) but it seems like it is not really in the proper spirit of memorial day. Just the same, in my mind, all who served are worthy of special honors. I enjoy that freedom every day. In spite of the Communist hordes. I hope the storm missed you, and you are enjoying quiet days up there.
I think Memorial Day is different for different people, depending on your background and experience. One of my pet peeves is the way a lot of people just don't give any thought to what service people go through on their behalf. Memorial day does something to alleviate that, or at least, I can tell myself it does. However anyone chooses to observe it, their intention is good. Unless, of course, they are among the bottom feeders who try to denigrate the military. Those people are nothing that a few bags of quick lime and a back hoe couldn't take care of, though.I will sure look at the link. I loved the old T-28, more than any other aircraft, civil or military, that I flew. It was the last of the big radial engined combat aircraft, and I feel lucky to have flown it. There's one hanging in the aviation museum at Pensacola (or, there was some years ago, don't know if it is still there) that I flew in VT-6, out of NAS Whiting.
i am so happy to have a president who is not an international embarrassment.don't have to blush when he meets other world heavyweights, some of whom are not fit to shake his hand.
I'm happy with President Trump. He's accomplished a lot, in terms of things like Supreme Court Justices, that Clinton would have used to destroy what's left of the U.S.
thanks for the comments about the bombing of japan.did not know, nor was ever taught the true reasons for it.so many opine that nuclear force was not necessary but i see that a worse war and a prolonged one was avoided.wish this were taught in history class.
My Uncle, my dad and my father in law were all for it. They'd have had to participate in the invasion of Japan if it had happened. Estimates of the time were that the allies might suffer as many as a million casualties, KIA and WIA, if that had transpired. Japanese losses don't even bear thinking about.