Thursday, July 5, 2018

It worked for Rome.

In 122 A.D. the Roman Emperor, Hadrian,  ordered construction of a wall to prevent barbarians north of the Roman province of Britannia from entering the province.  Later, a second wall was constructed  even further North.





While the Antonine Wall proved to be too difficult to support logistically, Hadrian's Wall remained an effective barrier to barbarian intrusion until the Roman Army abandoned the province of Brittania in 410 A.D.

If it worked for them two thousand years ago, why won't the concept work for us today?
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16 comments:

  1. There you go, being logical again!

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  2. Harry, Have you read Sir John Glubbs fate of empires?

    The shift to a defensive mindset and building of walls is characteristic of a decaying empire that is unwilling to fight and instead hides behind fortifications.

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    1. Glubb Pasha, father of the Arab Legion, the only regular Arab army worth a damn in the first Arab Israeli War.

      Fate of Empires is on the web somewhere as a free pdf.

      I'd say "decaying empire that is unwilling to fight and hides behind fortifications" tpifies what happens when a nation is faced with external threats that the leadership and many of the people either don't recognize, or lack the morale courage to address. If it was up to me, I'd be mining the border, the makers of razor wire would experience a huge boom in sales, and the regular Army would be down there protecting the border. But instead, given the "abolish ICE" and "Open Borders" moonbeams, he wall is about the best we can do. I can't think of any other way to slow down the influx of boca's inutil.

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    2. me too harry. hell i might come out of retirement to do that duty. machine gun turrets, don't forget machine gun turrets. i consider it a matter of national defense. we should be defending our borders at least as vigorously as we defend others' borders.

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    3. I agree with your sentiments. We need to secure our border.

      If it were me I would go demand side. Fine companies a million dollars per violation (individual) for breaking the rules and hiring illlegals. Write the law so the owners, not just a foldable shell Corp are liable.

      When a Tyson chicken plant got raided and the company was fined 100 million dollars companies would play attention.

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    4. That might work but corrupt politicians can always"fix it" so you can't do anything about them. It's an open secret here that when the chicken plants broke the strikes in the lat 80's by importing Mexicans, they did so with the collusion of big wigs in the state capitol who took money to grease the skids. Of course, once the "guest workers" got into the country, on their "temporary" work permits, they never left and now Hall County is largely Hispanic.

      We do have a law in Georgia that you can't hire someone with no social security number, and a system to check it, but that only impacted places like McDonalds ( for awhile, the entire staff of our McDonalds here , other than the managers, was comprised of illegal aliens). But as far as contractors and the like, they love hiring illegals.

      If it would work, I'd be all for fining the hell out of anyone, high or low, who hired illegals and I'd put people who facilitated the flow of illegals in prison and let them rot. Wouldn't matter to me if they were priets, preachers, or just your run of the mill leftard or college kid.

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    5. Riverrider, that philosophy makes good sense to me. Remember the "Minuteman" project from ten years or so ago? Regular citizens went out and observed the border, and called the Border Patrol if they saw illegals coming in? My brother participated in that. In the end, the U.S. government, and in particular the state government of California quashed that attempt to do something, but I was proud of my brother for trying.

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  3. Wow, I had the same idea earlier today while watching a cartoon with my grandson. Showed the GREAT WALL. But you know some nut job will be standing on the south side selling ladders. So he can make money and move here the legal way.

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    1. Some do it for money, and some, like the Catholic Church, facilitate illegal immigration because "it's the will of God." Either way, they're screwing everyone in the country by ignoring our laws and forcing us to cope with the consequences.

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    2. Rob, I haven’t been there but I’m fairly sure Mexico has a Home Depot or some place that sells ladders.

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    3. There are people on both sides of the border making a pot full of money by facilitating the influx of cucarachas. Sadly for Georgia, we are getting the benefit of their expertise in "wretched refuse importation" not just from Latin America but from everywhere.

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  4. if we could put jerry brown and all of his ilk on the other side of the wall it would pay for itself in no time.
    i do not mind decent mexicans, or decent anybody, but why encourage known thugs and other criminals?
    i bet jerry brown lives n a gated community.
    i feel sorry for the mexicans who have all this lot marching through their country to get here.

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    1. I could do without Mexicans. The older people who want to work are not bad, but the younger people they bring with them are a never ending source of trouble and sorrow. Not to mention filling up the hospitals with people who don't pay, filling up the schools with kids who don't speak English, and overrunning the neighborhoods they move into with antics like butchering goats and bleeding them out on the front porch.

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  5. One of my key memories from when I was a child was when the Berlin Wall came down. So many were celebrating. I know it was Germany that was divided up. It's still taking one section of people and telling them - you don't belong here, you belong here instead.

    I wish Mexico would do more to make that part of Mexico less troublesome. Some women want to pass the border with their kids for protection against rape and violence. I can't fault them for wanting to be away from that. Even if it means leaving everything else behind, and being in danger to transport. They're in danger being in that area of Mexico as well.

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  6. I was middle aged when the wall came down. :-(

    I was glad to see it, as the people on both sides were Germans. Same culture, same language, same values, same history.

    I wish all of South and Central America wasn't such a hell hole, but if you don't have money, they are. It's the way their societies work, so I don't think it will ever change.

    I feel for them, but I don't want to pay for them. I remember how having a group of Hispanic kids in my classroom, who couldn't speak English, detracted significantly from my ability to teach the American kids I had.

    I also know they are a hideous burden on our social safety mechanisms, and they contribute to the violent crime at a rate all out of proportion to their numbers. I guess it's just a problem we will have to do what we can to deal with, and live with it.

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