Wednesday, August 8, 2018

Voting with your feet. A good deal on AK-47 magazines. Do you keep items for barter? Some Mosin Nagant rifles available, different conditions, and expensive. Also some 7.62X54R, expensive.



RT News is a news station from Europe.   I ran across this clip on YouTube, and thought it was interesting ,  and reflects events in the U.S. as well as England.




Back in 2007/2008 when the economy tanked, we lost a lot of our snowbirds and other part time residents. There are still cheap vacation cottages out in the woods , slowly falling apart, with bank foreclosure sale signs on them.

Now I'm seeing more of those street corner "for sale "signs that realtors like to stick up. I hate the things.  Talking to a woman who sells real estate in town, she said that a lot of middle class people who bought second homes up here are moving out, going further back up into the  North Carolina  Blue Ridge where there are no four lane highways and no "dump them in the boonies" government programs. The rich people, who live out at the lake, seem to be less impacted, since they tend to go down the four lane towards Atlanta for their shopping and don't spend much time in town. They live in their own little world out there anyway.

Harry's Enhanced Mobility and Displacement Project:






Yesterday the temperature hit 94 degrees and the humidity was in the nineties. One of those "stay inside or die horribly days." Today is supposed to be cooler and drier. I hope so.  No big plans, though.  I've been using the "indoor time" to do some research and it looks like the RV "class" we want is a "C." I didn't know that there were different "classes " of  RV's, like there are of warships, but I am learning.

I'd love to have one of those RV's that you see in Off Grid and American Survival Guide, but I don't have a few hundred thousand dollars laying around just at the moment.


I'm thinking I may have to settle for something more in this price range:


I've pretty much decided to look for an RV park on the Georgia or South Carolina coastline somewhere.  Some place like Tybee Island, not like Myrtle Beach.  Texas seems to have the best places to set up an RV on the beach, but it's really too far away to go just for a week or two. Maybe if things go bad up here and I have to decamp, then we'd head for Texas but I wonder what our odds of making it would be in that kind of scenario? Probably slim to none.



What have you got to trade?






In the comments section on the last post, there was some discussion of what items would be useful for barter. Although it was never stated,  barter probably relates more to a long term social collapse/grid down situation than just Katrina style disruptions.

I can't store enough of everything I need up here to last for months.  For instance, I can store cracked corn in 50 lb sacks, but eventually , with nearly 60 chickens, I'd have to get locally grown corn. That's no problem in terms of availability, there are massive amounts of corn grown here for feed. But people wouldn't just bless me with their generosity, they'd want something in return.

Here's a partial list of things I keep in store, in quantity, specifically to trade with Farmer Brown or other locals in return for goods like food and feed that they'd have.

1. Salt.  I keep salt blocks, and I keep cases of table salt, with or without iodine.

2. Antibiotics.  I have a good store of animal meds. Same antibiotics we use, just different packaging. Right now, when things are normal, you can get antibiotics for free or for a few dollars if you have a prescription. But down the road, they probably won't be available when the trucks aren't running.

3. Hardware. I keep coffee cans full of different sized nails,  screws, nuts, bolts, hinges, fittings, etc. I use them on my own place of course, but I have plenty of can fulls to trade.

4. Ammunition and Guns.  I have enough for my own needs, and I have quantities to trade if  the Mad Max scenario transpires.  Back when surplus rifles were dirt cheap, for instance, I bought 10 Enfield MK.111 rifles specifically for trading purposes. I have ammo for them.  Would I trade guns and ammo to locals for ham, honey, syrup, corn, beef, etc.  Yes. I would.

5. Liquor.  I keep both good quality rum and whiskey, and "middlin" rum and whiskey. I buy it in North Carolina at the ABC store.  I also have some gin, tequila, and other odds and ends. This is a big area for moonshine, so drinkers need not go without whatever happens, but liquor should be a good trade item.

6. Tobacco. I keep big number 10 cans of tobacco.  Again, North Carolina grows lots of tobacco on the coastal piedmont,  but it would have to travel a good ways to make it to western North Carolina. So I keep enough to trade, and to have a pipe myself now and then.  If things get that bad, cancer is not going to be a big worry for me.

7. Edged weapons and tools.  I buy sturdy knives from BudK and keep them in stock. They are not famous or expensive knives, but they are solid and get the job done. I've sent some of the sheath knives to friends and while nobody is turning back flips over the product, the general consensus is that they are good enough for government work.
When I go to flea markets up here, I buy tools that people would need if their power tools didn't work anymore.  Saws, axes, hatchets, malls, mattocks, sledge hammers, etc. Think "trade goods" a la the French couriers du bois, and the Indians.

8. Wooden kitchen matches.  I buy them by the case, in individual boxes of 250 sealed in plastic. Then I store them in plastic totes.  People are going to need to be able to make fire if the electricity is out for months.

I have a few other odds and ends.  But in the main, that's what I keep stored specifically for trade purposes. Anyone else got any good ideas.  I'm always looking to improve my plans and preparations.



The new Off Grid came.  I subscribed , and I really like the way they package the magazine in a big envelope to protect it. Not like American Survival Guide where they just throw it in the mail as is and it gets here all dog eared and ratty.



Brother, do you need some AK-47 mags?

Classic Firearms (North Carolina, not Texas), has some good prices on polymer mags for the AK-47, from the Radom factory in Poland.  They had this deal going back in March, but I didn't get on the computer fast enough to get any.

This time, I ordered two of their "special packages." Each comes with 4 brand new magazines, an AK-47 sling, an East German AK-47 mag pouch, and an oil bottle. Cost is $20.00.

I ordered two of these packages, and it cost me $40.00 plus $12.50 for shipping.  I know a lot of people don't trust polymer mags, but I use them for the L1A1, the FNFAL, the Ruger Mini-14, the M-14 and some of my other guns, and I've never had the first problem with them.

Here's the video on these magazines Classic Firearms put out last March, when I missed the deal.





Good ammo, great for long term storage. But today, they want your first born child in exchange.


These same people have gotten in some Mosin Nagant 1891/30 rifles.  Different conditions, but all expensive by my lights.  They have7.62X54R by the case.  Two spam cans of 440 rounds per case. But the bare bones price is almost $400 bucks a case, and you have to add in shipping. The same ammo in the 1990's was around $100.00 a case including shipping. A new condition M1891/30 from Aztec Arms down in Tampa, with sling, bayonet, oil bottle, stripper clips, included was about $65.00, including shipping, if you had your C&R in the same time period.



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55 comments:

  1. Thanks Harry,
    Great Deal on the AK mags and extras. I just ordered 2 for myself.
    TRMc

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    1. Those are good people up there in North Carolina, and they have never done me wrong. They are pretty religious, but that's a bible belt area so that's just part of the culture. They are of the correct party and I try to trade with people who have views that reflect my own.

      Glad you were able to take advantage of it. Last time , I got an email from them, and immediately jumped over to their page, but they were sold out. I guess the people who can get instant text notifications over a cell phone have the advantage on me there.

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    2. I got my AK magazines in the mail today. Now I need to get them out to the range for some field testing.

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    3. Got mine yesterday. I was surprised the slings were the good leather ones, and not the el cheapo web slings you usually get. I couldn't close the magazine pouches though, the mags stick up out of the top and the flap wouldn't pull over. I can't figure that out, as the magazines are standard 30 rounders and the mag pouches were made for thirty rounders. >:-(

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  2. I have quite the stockpile of SEEDS for bartering. If someone is too stupid to know how to grow stuff, they are not on my list of bartering prospects. I also have a lot of banana plants that create "pups" at their base. They will be traded as I could never eat all the bananas I am growing.....my goat herd will provide offspring that will also go for trade to keep the milk flowing around here....I don't expect to do any bartering for the first 6 months or so after things unravel. Let the dust settle. See who makes it that far, then set up some bartering....

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    1. THF, boy, you sure hit me right between the running lights on that one. I have busted my butt up here, trying to grow food and have never had any success. Either the animals come in from the forest (I'm surrounded by national forest here on the mountain) and gobble up everything, or they eat what they want and tear up the rest. Last summer we built raised wooden beds and planted berry bushes, but even with good advice from friends with green thumbs, nothing except some tomatoes grew and I just picked them and ate them right there. :-(

      Also tried to get it together on canning, but since I couldn't seem to grow any vegetables, I couldn't take advantage of the great public canning building we have , that has all the supplies and old ladies or high school girls to advise you.

      I have enough long term food storage for a couple of years, longer if the people I expect don't make it here. But the things I'd like to always have on hand, like country ham, will start running out in about six months if I have the people I plan on and no more.

      I know plenty of farmers here, or people who have "town jobs" but also farm acreage. Most of them are mighty self sufficient as it is, so I'm not sure all my trade goods would be in great demand, at least intially. I doubt any of the lake condo crowd will have anything I want ,so I don't look at them as a potential customer base.

      As you say, it won't be til the dust settles that any of us know what will really constitute the new living environment. I just try to figure out what it will be like, primarily from having lived in the Third World, and from reading books that are speculative in that area.

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    2. Did not mean to insult you....you ARE attempting to grow food now while the learning curve still allows you time for trial and error. I've learned to grow what grows easily in my area and then figure out how to use it. Good fencing is important around certain items. A few feral cats help keep rabbits and squirrels out of some areas, too. We don't have much deer around our place, so I don't need high fencing for them, thank goodness. Don't give up on gardening. Just keep trying and seek out others who are successful at it. Where there's a will, there's a way as they say....good luck.

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    3. No worries, I didn't think you were. It's just that my efforts over the years have all been pretty much a flop. The biggest problem is bears and hogs. They just go through or tear down electric fences. The deer do come in and eat the young corn plants, my old dogs never were able to frighten them off. But I think it's more than that. Even with raised beds, filled with gardening soil from Home Depot, our plants just didn't produce much food. Some of them never produced anything. I was spending a huge amount of time and effort, and a lot of money, on trying to grow food and getting nothing for it. So I reverted to storing canned goods, which are find in the short term but not a long term solution.

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  3. yeah, voting with your feet, and wallet, ala red hen...batteries, soap, tp, coffee, sugar, canned butter/cheese, spices. I even picked up several solar panel sets to trade for larger things, a cow maybe. who wouldn't want free lights at night after a month or two in the dark?...matches, candles, shampoo, oil lanterns. I try to think what I would want after a week or three in the woods ftx style. selco said gravy and sauces were like gold. he also made a living so-to-speak by figuring a way to refill lighters from a 20 lb propane tank he scrounged....I figure I can fix guns n such w/ my cordless tool setup, charged by my solar. also have rainwater catchment, so clean water. beats pond scum any day, lol. like you, I know I can't store everything but I store stuff to get me anything. I really need to get my chicken setup going....

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    1. I have a ton of coffee, but I have a feeling unless I was desperate I would be loath to trade it, because without coffee in the morning I think I would soon expire!

      I have food storage pails of sugar in a storeroom, packed in mylar bags, flushed with nitrogen. But it never occurred to me that might be a good trade item to stock. I think I will order a few more of those.

      I've got beau coupe candles (I make candles, it's one of my hobbies) and I have kerosene lanterns down in the basement, but I had pretty much forgotten them because we use LED lanterns now. Since I keep about 40 gallons of kerosene on hand, I probably should give some thought to buying some of those lamps and just leaving them in the box. Might lay in another 50 gallons of kerosene (K1) if things start looking shaky, kerosene and the lanterns/lamps would indeed be a good trade item.

      My six German solar panels are still out on the solar panel rack, in working condition but abandoned, basically, when the solar power system up here turned out to be a flop. I'd trade them off , for sure.

      I have a good stash of cases of soap, don't know that I would be able to trade any of it as most of the farm women here can make their own soap, they just don't bother. But they know how.

      I keep a "ton" of spices down in one of the store rooms. I get the jars from a place in the next county, at about fifty cents for a good sized jar. I don't have enough to trade, though, and I don't know why because that's a perfect item. It seems like, reading your comment, that I have tried to think of the things I'd need, but often I don't connect that to the fact that if I need something, others might and they might be prepared to trade. I'm sure glad you put that comment up.

      I have chickens and eggs out the ying yang. Even up here, with no neighbors, they are a real pain in the ass. If it wasn't for my wife, I wouldn't still have them. But if things go bad, I'll be grateful indeed that I put up with them crapping on the truck, etc.

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    2. lol, yeah i raised chickens in my childhood and hated every minute of it, swore i'd never have another just like a garden. now i regret letting those skills go. nothin like chicken crap between your toes, ugh.

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    3. Chickens are the nastiest creatures I've ever raised. Except maybe a peacock. We had a peacock just come out of the forest one day, God knows how it got there. It lived with us for about two weeks. When that thing took a dump, it looked like a Brontosaurus had let fly. Just as suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared. I wasn't sorry to see it move on down the road.

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    4. hahahahah!

      I had a friend I rented garage space from a long time ago, and he and his SO raised chickens. He said the exact same thing about them! The damn things will eat anything, including each other.

      There were flocks of feral peacocks in San Pedro and Palos Verdes. You could definitely tell when you'd been visited at night.

      I wondered if we had some bears nobody knew about.....

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    5. lol, i have to differ. ducks are the nastiest. they crap voluminously where ever they stand, even where they eat and prefer to do it in front of your door and near any water source you have. hate em.

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    6. Dr. Jim, chickens are also the noisiest creatures on the planet. In some ways that's good, as they will raise hell if anything wakes them up at night. Not so good when they all start fussing every morning before dawn, though!

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    7. Riverrider, I never had ducks. Sounds like I have not missed anything though!

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  4. Thanks for the weather Harry!

    The National Weather Service has issued a Heat Advisory for an area that includes Hampton Roads cities. The Heat Advisory is in effect today from (11AM) to (8PM). A Heat Advisory is issued when the Heat Index is expected to be 105-107 degrees Fahrenheit for two hours or greater. The combination of hot temperatures and high humidity will combine to create a situation in which heat illnesses are possible. Monitor personnel working outside; drink plenty of fluids; stay in air conditioned room; if outdoors, stay in shade if possible; check up on relatives and neighbors.

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    1. Tim, first we have last years perfectly hellish winter. Freezing cold for days on end, single digits night after night, freezing rain, snow.

      Now we are having this ghastly summer. My power bill last month was double the normal, and it will be worse this month as I am running the air conditioning and dehumidifiers full tilt in multipe buildings.

      It's had a negative impact on our lifestyle, because we can only work outside in early morning and after the evening comes. Just going out to the grocery store can be tough, because when you get older you get drained of your energy so much faster than when you were young.

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  5. got a few comments.
    vicki at 'momsscribbles' buys frozen veg on sale and dehydrates them, she has no land but gets the veg as cheap as she can. the dry weighs less and will keep long.
    expecting an early winter--hundreds of robins from the north came through a couple of days ago and left after resting and eating. our robins are still here.
    the smell in the air and the sound of the crikets amke me think autumn is nigh.
    rv-- maybe a tow camper so you can leave the trailer in the park to run into town with the vehicle separate.
    also an awning for sun or rain.
    it should have enough room that you won't drive yourselves nuts in too confined a space if weather is inclement.
    just a few thoughts.

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    1. I wrote a reply to your comment last night, and I thought it posted, but I didn't see it this morning. So here goes again.

      I've been reading Vicki's blog for a long time and have always been impressed with her canning and food storage methods. She might live in an apartment, but that doesn't keep her from doing her best to cover the bases, and I admire that.

      I hope an early fall is in the cards, because I am heartily sick of this blazing heat, and even more so, of the constant rain that is turning the forest into a jungle.

      I'm pretty sure I will go with a self propelled vehicle as I have had some experience of trailers and didn't do particularly well with those. Don't have the patience or the motor skills they really require.

      We are looking at vehicles that will comfortably accommodate two , but haven't really been inside any yet . Hope to remedy that soon.

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  6. The Latest;

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    1. Tim, it just before seven in the evening here now. The wife and I went in to town about four. It was sunshine and 88. Then the sky turned into the movie set of Cecil B. Demille's "Moses" and a storm came roaring through that tore down trees, flooded the roads, and made driving impossible. Dropped the temperature down to 64 degrees. This is like something out of a bad science fiction movie.

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  7. I'd better comment, because I can't get this, out of my head. :-)

    I'm one of those, whose blood pressure won't stand, "news." We are Bill O'Reilly Premium Members so we can get trusted news, when we want to dip in. But basically, we keep our heads buried in the sand. Because we can't do anything about any of it. Too old to prep.

    All delving into the present shit does, is hurt our health. I've done it. I know.

    I'm not asking you/others to fully understand. Not. Just wanted to say, that my sticking to "light and fluffy" posting, does not mean that I am naive.

    Nope, not naive. Just my choice. But I certainly don't expect you, to read my "Light and Fluffy" blogging. It may very well, drive you batty. Such, used to drive me batty, when I was deep into it. How in hell could all those brain-dead women, just keep posting recipes, and room painting, and gardening, and quilting, and etc., etc., etc.??????? When the world was going to implode soon???? How???????

    And now.... Same crap situation, just getting worse and worse... And I'm showing pretty pictures, and asking inane questions, of my readers.

    All this comment is meant to do, is please, don't think I am naive. It's just the only way I can cope.

    Please and Thank you.

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    1. I actually read your posts, and I leave comments so I obviously enjoy the place. Especially the old timey art work, and the characters from children's classics that nobody remembers anymore.

      Well, I figure as long as you are still alive, it's good to know what's going on so that if something bad is rolling down hill, you can make an effort to leg it out of the way. I think , though I am old, I still need to try to do that.

      But I never forced anyone to do it. If the stress is too great, then perhaps you are right, and the good would not outweigh the bad in that case.

      Everything you do doesn't have to be oriented towards any particular topic. This blog is specifically about living a self sufficient lifestyle, and that's very much influenced by outside events, so there's a lot of talk about it here.

      I make candles for a pass time, but I don't post about that here unless in a peripheral manner. That doesn't mean I enjoy it any less.

      Just live your life however you want to. Even if someone thought less of you for it, and there's no reason to think they do, who gives a damn? If you don't work for them, and don't owe them any money, then so what?

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    2. Thank you... And I know you read/comment.

      I was just... feeling embarrassed... about my choice of posting.... because I know how I used to react, to it.... when I was all fired up.

      But you are more adult, than I. -grin- Most are, of course.

      I will now drop the angst.

      And keep finding "old time" illustrations, to post, now and then.

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    3. Not to worry. We all have days when it all seems to be uphill. I know I do.

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  8. Deb, Vicki does an amazing job in her food storage preparations.I've read her blog for years and have always been impressed with her motivation, positive attitude, and skill set.

    I'm up for an early fall. This summer has been brutal.

    I'm going the self propelled vehicle route, as I know from previous experience that I lack the patience or dexterity to fiddle around with a trailer. I hope to park within walking distance of the beach and not move the vehicle again until we head home.

    I appreciate your comment. Good thoughts.☺

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  9. So Harry if I may sir. When you keep mentioning the lake and rich folks, are you talking about blue ridge, or lake burton and Rabun area? Just curious, I am a native Georgian and am now in west ga looking to move further up in the mountains. Just trying to figure what areas to avoid with the rich transplants and sand fleas.

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    1. CPB, I try to be careful about being too specific concerning my location. It's just good operational security to get in the habit of not broadcasting to the world your exact location, or the names of family members, or where you work, that kind of thing. There are a lot of people out there in the internet hinterland who are completely insane. I learned that the hard way with my old blog. Among other things, I had Neo-Nazi's calling me on my land line at night, telling me they were going to come kill me and my family. Another wonderful experience was having a guy who read the blog tell me he was pulling his trailer up here and spending the summer in my meadow. When I told him I didn't think that would work for me, he went "high and right" in a major way. Not a pleasant experience at all.

      I'll tell you where I think you would be wise to stay out of . Fannin, Union, White, and Lumpkin counties all have major issues with overcrowding, and over building. Gilmer county is fast becoming a bedroom community for Atanta, and doesn't bear much resemblance to the nice place it was years ago anymore.
      Rabun county is pretty good, hard to get to, and has a nice lake. Towns county has all the traffic coming up from Atlanta, has a beautiful lake, surrounded by the condos and fancy houses of the beautiful people. The sand fleas are in every one of the North Georgia counties, and the problem is getting worse and worse. There's just no avoiding them where ever you go up here.

      I'd look at North Carolina. Murphy is a rough town but it's still rural and decent people live there. Franklin is nice, and far enough out that the dregs of the earth aren't there yet.

      Hope that helps. Again, forgive me for not being more specific, but it's just how blogging is.

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  10. The question that comes to my mind on your transport, is fuel cost. Unless you get Diesel fuel cost would hurt your wallet.

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    1. Rob, diesel costs more than gasoline these days, so either way you get soaked. I know I am not going to do well in the millage department, but maybe I can make it up on not paying hotel bills.

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    2. I was just reading that some of these Class C rigs get 18-20mpg nowadays. They are making them lighter all the time. I was looking at the Thor RVs on a Mercedes chassis..diesel. Also the Winnis, Jayco, etc....tons of them out there. Wait for a big RV show and see lots from different manufacturers...that's when you can get big discounts, too.

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    3. There's a big RV dealer on the highway to Gainesville. I think we will ride over there, and just get some hands on time looking over the different makes and models. At some point, I have to quit looking at the internet and start looking at the real deal. They have RV shows in Chattanooga and Atlanta, I might get over my aversion to going into cities and take a look at the next one I see scheduled.

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  11. Harry lots of coffee in single pot packs like you have at an office. Sugar a literal ton of sugar. Cheap keeps forever and makes moonshine :).

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    1. Gary, we are going to look on line for a good deal on a few cases of mid range quality coffee. Walmart has an on line sales page where you can pick up good deals sometimes. Don't know, unless I was desperate, if I would really trade coffee even if I planned to. I've been drinking a lot of it, daily, since I was 14 and I feel poorly if I don't get my fix. But it would make a great trade item, as there are a lot of people out there addicted to the stuff, just as I am.

      Those single pot packs would make a good trade item, wouldn't they. I'll look for some of those, too.

      I have some empty food pails, and I think I will fill them up with small bags of sugar. No sense letting the pails go to waste. I have some big pails full of the stuff, in the nitrogen flushed mylar bags, but I never thought of that as trading goods, just for the kitchen.

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    2. Check out the restaurant supply websites...they have small packets of everything. Amazon has those 2 oz jam jars. I always pick up a couple extra sugar packets when we eat out...they add up. Sure, many can make soap...but not without lye. You can use wood ashes, but that makes a soft semi liquid soap. I have lots of lye from my soapmaking days. How about some Tide pods to trade. No mess, no fuss.

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    3. I remember that being in an article in one of the survival magazines, that restaurants were a good source of items like that.

      I won't need to make soap for myself for a long time if things go bad. I have cases of it stored, bought them when a little shop went out of business some years ago. Sounds like a good thing, as I don't have any lye. I don't have Tide Pods, which does sound like a good idea, but i do have many cakes of laundry soap. Walmart sells over sized bars of laundry soap for about .75 each.

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  12. Enjoyed the YouTube clip about London...a few years ago, I traveled with my sister in law back to her hometown of Blackburn, England . Her old neighborhood is now chock full of folks wearing burkas, really astonishing to see through her eyes. And as usual, no integration with other English folks....instead a recreation of their homelands. I presume our ghettos in the 1800 and 1900’s were similar where each new immigrant group clustered in one area. The difference is probably intent, our immigrants wanted to meld, not sure about newer immigrants and their desire to assimilate....

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    1. Hilogene, I first saw London in 1977, when the U.S.S. Manitowac went up the Thames river and anchored next to the H.M.S. Belfast. We were just coming off a NATO exercise, Bold Guard/Northern Wedding I think it was. London was a beautiful place, and most of the people there were English.

      Then I was stationed in Naples, Italy from 1982-1985. My wife and I used to go up to England on leave, we took the ferry from Calais to Dover and drove my little Volkswagen Rabbit convertible. Every December, I had a conference at the American Embassy and all the Marine officers from Naples went. We always took our wives with us. Even then, the muzzies were starting to filter in but they weren't so "in your face."

      Now, I don't even recognize the place when I see it on the news. Ironic that the Muzzies were never able to beat the Europeans (though they made some inroads in Spain and France), but now they are overrunning the homeland of the Anglo Saxons and the Carolingian's.

      Closer to home, in Atlanta, the home grown version of the faithful are blocking the roads on Friday around their mosques, praying in the streets. The police can't do anything because the black mayors of Atlanta don't want to offend the members of the fastest growing faith in the "black community."

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  13. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    I get stupid over Mosin Nagants! (If I had a wife. I would have probably traded her for a Mosin Nagant:)

    First of all there is some pineapple on YouTube called 'Demolition Ranch' According to Demolition Dumbass the 7.62 x 54 cartridge is like .308?

    Lets see. 7.62x51 mm ball is 147 grain. 7.62x54 mm is like 180 grain (give or take here or there) The Mosin cartridge is more like a 30-06 and is probably pretty much on par with 8 mm Mouser and other rifles of that era.
    Demolition Dumbass put a .308 in the bore of a Mosin and tried to fire it. The casing got it stuck in the bore. No misfire, just got plain stuck!
    Sometimes you just cant fix 'stupid'

    The best Mosins are the Dragoons. I would trade two wives for a 1891 Pattern Mosin Dragoon:) I got a Finned Dragoon. Best rifle I have and I did not even have to trade a wife for that one either.


    I got a lot of respect for Mousers, Enfields, and those crazy Swiss rifles with the pull tab thing that looks like a grenade pin.


    I got a spam can of 7.62x54 for $119.00 years back.

    I gotta get some sleep. I will write what I think about RV's later.


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    1. CC, the Dragoons are major collectors items and as rare as hen's teeth. I don't have one, but if I got the chance and saw on in a shop I'd certainly buy it.

      I'll look up the bullet diameters this afternoon when I get some time. I'm supposed to be getting ready to take the wife to town right now. I think the bullet diameters on the cartridges you mentioned are all the same. Every cartridge I know of (except 8X56R Hungarian) comes in different weights. Different case length and width, as well as different acceptable chamber pressure, can kill people who do what that fellow you were talking about did. It does, indeed, exceed the limits of credulity that anyone would be so stupid but they do it.

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    2. Even if the bullet would fit in the barrel the cartridge dimensions and pressure the chamber can take still matter a lot.

      Functionally all of those WWI and initial WWII era rounds were really similar.

      I missed the Mosin Nagant boat for both the rifles and ammo. Oh well. As Oasis said “Don’t look back in anger.”

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    3. In a manner of speaking, so did I. When they were dirt cheap in new, unissued condition, I should have bought a case of them. Aztec sold the wooden cases, rifles and accouterments dirt cheap. But they just didn't "look right", with that long muzzle and the weirdly shaped butt, and I only bought them now and then, when the price was too good not to. I think, including the M44, M38, and the 1891/30, I probably own about 15 of the Mosins. I do have one Model 1891, unaltered, as well and those are like hens teeth. I don't have a sniper version, and that's another boat I missed, as Mitchell's sold them, completely original, for a modest price in the 1990's.

      I always slug a surplus rifle if I suspect it might have been rechambered in it's life time. The Japanese Type 99 is a good example, since the U.S. converted thousands from 7.7 Japanese to 30-06 during the Korean War. Another one that can bite you in the ass is the Czech VZ-24. The vast majority were 8mm Mauser, but the Romanians placed a large order for the same weapon in 7mm Mauser, and those turn up from time to time.

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  14. What kind of coffee do you keep? That's one item we're lacking, as my wife won't drink it.

    I get roasted whole-bean now, but if that went away, it sure would be good to have something to fall back on.

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    1. I keep both instant and grounds. If I'm drinking it, mostly Maxwell House or Folgers. But if it's on sale at Walmart, and it's inexpensive, I buy the house brand by the 8 can case. Coffee will last forever if you keep it in a cool, dry storeroom. In "Alas Babylon" it was a major trade item, and I figure the author had that right!

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    2. Coffee has been a major barter item in a lot of the TEOTWAWKI books.

      This would be for me, and barter would be a secondary purpose.

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    3. You're spot on about that. I think because when a person's normal existence is completely disrupted, things that are generally considered conveniences become more important in keeping morale up. I'm addicted to coffee, and I want to make sure that I have enough for the family and enough to trade.

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  15. I have never tried combloc polymer (or whatever word they used) mags but they have been making them for awhile and generally military stuff is pretty durable. Also as former Combloc countries go the Polish has/ have some of, if not the best, engineering and manufacturing QA/QC.

    I’m curious to see how these work for you. So far I have generic Eastern European surplus metal AK mags and a few of the new Magpul ones.

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    1. I've used Israeli M-14 and M-16 polymer mags, with no problems. Also, the generic mags from Sportsman's Guide for several other weapons. Scuttlebutt on the internet says the mags can "wear" after awhile, and get loose as the material around the magazine where it locks into the receiver erodes. I have never seen evidence of that but then I haven't fired hundreds of rounds through any of these, either. Most of my AK-47 magazines are Russian, and metal. I bought them when they were around $7.00 a pop, when Russian surplus was plentiful and cheap. Radom has been around since the 1920's, and they do have a good reputation, as you mentioned. I have seen the Magpul AK-47 magazines for sale now and then, and I plan to buy a few. They have a good reputation.

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  16. Had a Mosin many years ago, sure it is unbreakable (having been designed for Russian Peasants!) but compared to Lee Enfields (No 1 MkIII or No 4) it is long, clunky and very slow to shoot! The US must have had every last Mosin in the eastern bloc imported in over the last few years.

    We also have many suburbs in our big cities where English is a second language, if it is spoken at all. When I was a kid in the sixties The local fruit shop was run by Italian migrants, the Fish & Chip shop by Greeks, and the Bakery/cake shop by Australians. Pretty much all of the migrants from Europe integrated well withinn a few years.

    Now The Vietnamese run the bakery, and the Lebanese/Chinese run pretty much everything else in the big cities. My old suburb looks like a scene from Beirut or Syria, with barely a sign in English and blokes in long robes sitting around all day drinking coffee and smoking, with the women all in Burqhas!!

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    1. Mosins were not popular here for a long time, but lots of people bought them anyway because they were cheap. There's a funny meme out there on the internet with 5 young guys in their 20's, holding Mosins, and the caption says "Mosin Nagant. How else are you going to arm five guys for $400.00?"

      It's pretty discouraging to me, to have all this happening here in the North Georgia mountains. I know it's not to the extent the cities have experienced the influx of sand fleas and others, but I never thought it would happen here.

      In 1986, the population of this county was 99.75 percent Caucasian. The remainder was Cherokee Indian. Now you go to town and it looks like the damned carnival has just pulled in.

      I guess it's just as well the Australian government wouldn't let me come there to live in the mid 1990's. Wouldn't have gotten me away from all the problems here after all! :-)

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  17. The RV off the grid thing - that's my in-laws. They have a plot of land in Arizona. They've built other things around their RV, so they have a little more living space. I guess we get the land if something happens with them. I do with they lived closer to their kids and grandkids (my husband and his sister, our children and her child), but I respect that they are doing what they want to do as well.

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    1. They're doing the same thing I want to do, except I still want to live here on the mountain most of the time. I can be at the Georgia coast at Savannah in just six or seven hours via back roads, though. So I would like to have a lot in an RV park near Tybee, or if not there somewhere along the South Carolina coast. Failing that, I'm looking for a good state park with RV lots near the sea.

      Arizona is a fantastic place. There's a bird Sanctuary there that has a streaming web cam, with beautiful panoramic views of the desert, mountains, and a lake. Spectacular sunsets. Arizona is out of my traveling range these days, but I can still enjoy it vicariously on the net.😀

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  18. Hi Harry, That off the grid thing is a do-able lifestyle for someone that has even a simple homebase . Mine will probably be a tree farm with a well on ag zoned land. Down the road a few miles is a campground with pump-out and laundry etc. In the big city I am friends with a large marina...they have always given me a parking sticker and a key even though I have no boat there.R/V living is something I have never tried and would like to. Living on boats is something I have tried and found that marina living wasn't for me but living out on the hook was nice ...as for safety if you are out there you are mostly on your own especially when storms come...had one sink on me once but survived a hurricane at anchor on the same boat the year before (Elena) ya just never know on the water...Happy Trails...Patrick

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    1. Patrick, My only real experience with small boats (I've got lots with Navy ships!) was a week on a houseboat, on lake Shasta, with my brothers. Never had any problem with weather of course. I know Six Bears and his wife, who used to cruise around on a sail boat, got shipwrecked for real one dark night and that was a pretty hair raising story. I would like to live on a houseboat somewhere like lake Havasu, where I could live at one end of a big lake, with nothing but desert around, and then go into the town for supplies. I never will of course, but I always wanted to do that.

      I have grid power here, and I use it most of the time. I built an elaborate solar power system here in 1999, with all the bells and whistles, but it was a total flop because we don't get enough sun shine directly on the place , even in summer.

      When the grid goes, which it does frequently here even in good weather, I just crank up the generator until it comes back on.

      I wouldn't want to be on the water in bad weather. I have a sail boat license for Lightning and Rebel class boats, which I got through the MCB Lejeune marina decades ago, but that just taught me enough to be dangerous.

      I think the RV thing will work out for us, both as a chance for a change of pace, some relaxation at the beach, and as an alternate if a fire or some unforeseen eventuality runs us off the mountain.

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