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Saturday, August 31, 2013

Antibiotics

In the History Channel docu-drama  After Armageddon,  the results of not having access to antibiotics is illustrated by having one of the protagonists die after he inadvertently cuts himself and gets an infection.  It's not easy to store up antibiotics because most doctors won't give you a prescription for more than just your immediate needs.

However, as people in rural areas already know, the antibiotics sold in pharmacies and those sold in feed stores for animals are exactly the same.  They're made by the same plants, inspected in the same way, marked in the same way.

Here's a source where you can buy animal antibiotics.  Yes, they are all marked "not for human consumption" or words to that effect. In a collapse situation it would still be a good idea to have a stash of antibiotics, and if you can't get them at the Walmart Pharmacy you may need to get them from somewhere else.

Antibiotics from Camping Survival

I first saw this link to the antibiotics at Camping Survival on Jim Rawles' blog a few days ago, to give credit where credit is due.


It goes without saying you have to know what each antibiotic does for people, and what the doses are. Otherwise, you aren't doing yourself much good.  Right now, there's plenty of information on the net about that. Or, you can go into a book store and for about $50.00 you can buy a nurses guide to pharmaceuticals that will detail all of that for you. Some are better than others for antibiotics so be sure you look it over before you buy it.  I actually use mine to make sure all the medicine the doctors prescribe for me has been deconflicted , so you can get a lot of use out of one of the books in many ways.






Kevin Hayden's blog: article on vet drugs for humans

This is a very good article that covers all the basics in much more detail than I could.   I printed a copy of it and put it in my "crash" folder. I only do that for really informative posts.



Am I saying everybody should run out and diagnose themselves. Nope. If you have access to a doctor, that's the way to go. I'm talking about a hypothetical time when you do not have access to doctors or drug stores. If you haven't seen After Armageddon , I'm told you can see it for free on the web.  Check that out and you'll take my point.


16 comments:

  1. What I found funny about that end result infection thing in the docu-drama was the fact that as long as things had been down any antibiotics anyone would have had would have long gone bad for the most part.

    Honey is the answer :)


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    1. I know honey is used as an antiseptic and has been for centuries, so you are in good shape there.

      Antibiotics are often viable long past the "expiration date" and the U.S. military has a program to retain them for emergency use after expiration. Of course, I'd rather not take expired medicine, but I have in the past without ill effect. That doesn't mean the next time I do it I won't croak though. :-)

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  2. I am the designated herbalist in my group. Been studying for years, although I never seem to feel I know enough. Dr. Christopher's website (Utah) has a family herbalist course that is both affordable and effective. That being said, you can do an awful lot with Raw Organic Honey, Comfrey, Cinnamon and Garlic!
    JF

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    1. I have tried homeopathic medicines here, particularly with my animals and eye infections, but have never had any luck. Yet I know that herbalists have been using natural remedies with success for centuries. I bought a book on local medicinal plants and that's my fall back position should things ever come to such a pass that my supplies run out. I'll look at that web site, I'm always interested in anything that might enhance my capabilities.

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    2. Homeopathics are a different breed of cat than an herbalists tinctures, essential oils and poultices. I never had any appreciable success with homeopathics either. Some do, I just didn't. I do enjoy much success with properly applied herbals and enjoy learning, it will never end. :)
      JF

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  3. Harry thanks for this post. I learned something today. I love the power of blogging.

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    1. The best thing about blogging is the give and take you find on posts when people are being constructive. I've learned more that way, I think, than I have from my books.

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  4. I know it is not the same, but for several years I used drugs from Mexico. My daughter in NYC would ask her father to go across the border to Mexico and get what I needed. He would pay to send them to her and not charge her for anything. She would send them from NY to AL and I paid for the postage which was less because her husband worked for FedEx. For about $5 I saved at least $200 on an office visit and a prescription for antibiotics.

    People should learn how not to spend so much money now, but even more, using the fish antibiotics for the short term helps if there are no doctors. For the long term, we may have to accept once again the fragility of life. I have read that antibiotics are good for ten years, all except for the cyclines. They can be deadly if out of date.

    My thyroid medicine is really the only thing I need that I take all the time.

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    1. I have a family member who gets all her medicine from Canada. The pharmaceutical companies here do a great job of pillaging people and I can't blame her at all.

      Most of us have some kind of ailment that requires medication and I don't know what effect it would have on me if I couldn't get mine. I think maybe a life lived under primitive conditions might be healthier for the young but would do in a lot of us who are older.

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  5. The antibiotics used for animals and human beings are not always the same. Animal antibiotics are often cheaper because they are buffered with cheaper ingredients which are not approved for use in human beings and may result in anaphylaxis. (Potentially fatal allergic reactions) In addition, only the correct antibiotic will make the difference in a serious infection.
    My blog post below has some additional information.

    http://rationalpreparedness.blogspot.com/2011/11/wisdom-with-antibiotics.html

    Best wishes,

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    1. Jane,

      I've seen that point of view before, and I can't deny that it might be the truth in some cases, particularly in medicine that is imported. If I had a consistent source of antibiotics at a pharmacy, that's what I would use. However, since I can't get enough for my medical supplies that way, I use the vet medicine. I worked with a fellow for several years who never used anything but medicines from the farmers depot because he had no insurance, and he seemed to suffer no ill effects. It's an issue that I suppose each individual will have to make their mind up about. You are quite right, you have to know which one to use and how much to use. Simply having bottles of antibiotics on the shelf is not productive. There are several good sources of information on that issue on line, including a doctor who posts on Rawle's blog fairly often.

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  6. We stock a variety of fish-labeled antibiotics. These antibiotics are formulated in the controlled environments as human antibiotics, even down to the same manufacturer's specifics. The pills are the dosage quantities and use the identical capsule color-coded and enumerated information. Watch the expiration dates on some of these antibiotics, though, since several become somewhat toxic if they have expired, ie. doxicycline.

    I became sick on a Friday afternoon about 3 months ago and although I have good insurance, could not take the time to see a doctor. I can "afford" the medication, I just couldn't "afford the down-time. I probably would not have gotten an appointment anyway and would have been told to go to an urgent care facility. I self-diagnosed and treated myself based on symptoms using amoxycillin 500mg, 3 times/day, 10 days. I also used probiotic capsules which are kept on hand to prevent probable diarrhea due to the antibiotics. Within 24 hours, my temperature was normalized and the swollen glands and sore throat were less pronounced. Within 48 hours, I was feeling pretty good. Continued with the regimen for the full 10 days.

    Probiotics in capsule form are not even close to the same amount that is provided in yoghurts, kefirs, and other fermented dairy foods. They are often prescribed as an OTC to use w/ strong antibiotics. I raise goats and have plenty of my own kefir and yoghurt, but the amount that is necessary to counteract antibiotics is quite a bit.

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    1. I've been using them on my cats, dogs, goats, (when I had goats) for a long time and have been pretty successful. I know some species can't tolerate some drugs people do. I can't give my ferrets anything with aspirin in it, for instance.

      My wife takes care of us when we get sick. She ran a mission clinic in Nigeria for several years when she was younger, and she is an expert at "make do." She picked up a lot of knowledge over there that has served us well here.

      I appreciate your comment. I'm always trying to learn more about this and the more input from like minded people the better off I am. Especially since this is one of those areas where there are exceptions to the rules and the only way you can find them is if someone tells you about them, or you read something on it.

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  7. Why not buy the real stuff from a licensed physician instead? (I haven't purchased from here before, but I'm planning to try it):

    https://www.antibioticsforsurvival.com/

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    1. John, in my experience doctors are very chary about giving me prescriptions for more antibiotics than I need for one illness. There is the concern that overusing antibiotics produced super bugs, which I understand.

      I do, in the normal course of events, get antibiotics from doctors. What I am concerned about is an environment where the infrastructure has broken down and won't be restored for a lengthy period. If I need antibiotics, don't have them prior to the event, and can't go to a pharmacy or doctor, I need something on hand. What I can get anytime is vet medicine which corresponds to the same medicine people take. It's a sometimes contentious subject, and has a lot of nuances. However, it's the best solution I have been able to come up with to the problem. I appreciate the link, I'll take a look at it.

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  8. I had suffered from bacterial sinus and ear infection, my doctor prescribed Augmentin antibiotics to buy online which is used to treat many different infections caused by bacteria, such as sinusitis, ear infections. Thanks for sharing Useful information.

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