Tuesday, September 3, 2013


Diversity is a fact of life.  Sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's not, but diversity is something that you always find in groups of humans.  Even in "clubs" like the Amish,  which tend to be regimented, there are always people who think a bit differently, or act a little out of character.

In the survivalist community,  you have the whole gamut .   No single educational level, occupation, income standard, race or political belief dominates.  You can identify trends.  Most survivalists are male, politically conservative, and leery of government.  I think most of them have had some experience in their lives that shattered their preconceptions about the safety and immutability of daily life.  Very many of them are veterans who have at least been out of the country and seen how gritty life can be. Some of these individuals  have had experiences that made it impossible for them to ever go back to being the people they once were, and self sufficiency helps them find their place in life again. It gives them a sense of safety and continuity that they lost somewhere along the way. It helps them feel like they are in some modicum of control, and not just "dust in the wind."

Some people who follow self sufficiency are doing it because it's trendy right now.  Others never gave it a thought until Hurricane Katrina came along, and a lot of the "preppers" started doing something because they watched Doomsday Preppers on television.  I don't suppose it really matters how a person came to that path.

In general my experience has been that you find the same traits and personalities that you do in any group of people with common interests. There are good people who are pleasant to communicate with, argumentative people who are not happy unless they are trying to force others to accept their point of view, plain old outright mean and crazy people that I wouldn't want to come within a mile of, and everything in between.

I read new blogs every single day.  If  I find one that seems positive and interesting, then I visit frequently. If I run up on one that is disturbing, I don't launch into an impassioned appeal for them to change their ways, and I don't criticize their views. I just don't ever go back there.  There are a lot of those.  Survivalists have pretty strong views on what's right and wrong, and whatever their opinions on any issue they don't do a really good job of compromising. That makes it hard to have a rational discussion about anything contentious . I think it's better to just pass on by.

Everybody is entitled to their own views, but I think that if there really is some kind of collapse, some of the worst predators are going to be people from our own mindset.  That's a disturbing thought.


  1. Yep it takes all kinds. Personally I love diversity too bad it has such a bad connotation now days since the social engineers laid claim to it.

    Actually I take that back I prefer natural selection to diversity.

    As far as predators go I don't worry over much about them. True human predators are much more rare naturally than we see today. The current circumstances makes things easy for them but in a collapse situation the predators actually become more vulnerable. The very complexities we live under protects the predators right now in simple times they are more vulnerable.

    1. It's the number of individuals with some very negative vibes out there that I find unsettling. They cruise along just under the surface, but if the restraints holding them back now are removed, they'll be free to act out. I agree that they'd be winnowed out fairly quickly but I don't doubt they'll do grievous harm before they go. Nothing can be done about it, though. I'm surprised some people write some of the things they do on line though. Some of these things, if I'd done them I'd be worried people would find out, let alone bragging about it.

  2. Diversity is canning 2 different kinds of grapes.... or canning grapes at all I suppose.

    Our group is very diverse, to the point that it often shocks me thinking about it. Working towards the same goal helps keep the negative in check when it's survival that counts and really nothing more.

    Unfortunately the feel I get from 90% of blogs, boards and sites is if you don't fit into X mold, you aren't fit to be a human being.

    1. Max, there's always the few people who figure they have it all locked and cocked, and everybody else is wrong. They're annoying but not dangerous.

      People that enjoy killing small animals and describe the act in loving detail, things like that, make me wonder what they'd do if they thought they could get away with it.

  3. Harry - i'm with PioneerP on this - the word "diversity" here in canada makes a lot of people shudder! poor jambaloney, when working as an IT contractor for Health Canada came home one day horribly traumatized and shell-shocked from seeing posters for "diversity day" - bahahahha! i had been in the fed gov for several years at that time so i was kinda used to just trying to ignore "diversity week" and such.

    but in the true sense of the word diversity - yes - it is good to have a tight group of people who have diverse skills, experience and uses. i have read on some blogs that some older people think that if shtf, that they will just be left to fend for themselves. that makes me sad as older people are the people who can still remember WWII and some, even the depression. we are very fortunate to have many elders here in our 2 communities - me and jam have made sure to engage them in many conversations in order to learn more about what grows here naturally and where to forage, where their fathers thought the best deer and moose hunting places were, how best to catch lobster if you don't have a boat or a trap, where the best clamming places are, etc., etc.

    in a collapse situation, you must have a diverse group. if everyone hunts and no one knows how to plant seeds - well, i guess you'll have a tummy full of meat and little else. i suppose everyone could survive if everyone only knew how to grow veggies - but without meat or fish in your diet - well, i guess you'd have a survival vegetarian group, which isn't bad - but i would lose my nut if i couldn't get my hands on some actual meat and fish!!! if everyone knew how to make cheese and that's all they did - hey, i love cheese but enough is enough. if everyone knows how to suture but doesn't know the first thing about hunting or growing food - yikes!

    diversity is very important in a collapse situation. the more diverse the ages of the community, the skills of the community, the experiences of the community - the better chance you have at survival!

    i wish your comment about the worst predators coming from the survivalist-mindset weren't true. but they are.

    Harry - if it ever does collapse, hump you and your family's butts this way. you would love it here. you might even become social and learn how to dance a proper cape breton jig. and love it! i mean it, buddy!

    your friend,

    1. whoa! didn't realize the comment was so long! sorry buddy!

    2. Don't worry, you can write as much as you like. That makes for a good conversation.

      I'm agreed that having diverse skills is good. What worries me is some of the philosophies I see expounded upon on some survivalist blogs. I read one last night the sole purpose of which was to give the author a platform for expounding on how many small animals he'd killed for no reason but the pleasure of doing it. It was sick.

  4. The spectrum of preparedness blogs covers a lot of ground, all right. I've found some that are just so...ugly...that I can't help but continue to read them from time to time just out of a sense of morbid fascination. Too many of them are, for lack of a better term, 'militaristic' or 'tactical'....Im the first to agree that the end of the world won't be an ice cream social, but I also don't think it's going to be a life of living like a Special Forces unit behind-the-lines. I am especially turned off by blogs that are 500 gun/knife/scope post for every one post about food storage or alternate energy. I like guns as much as the next guy, but I outgrew the 'guns are everything' stage of survivalism a long time ago...in fact, I think thats how you tell the difference between the noobs and the long-time survivalists...the noobs are all about guns and camo, the guys that have been around a while are all about food and energy.

  5. Guns are something most of us know a bit about, and so I think more people can participate in a post on guns. If a person is a "comment counter" or just relishes a lively discussion writing about guns is a way to get more comments. Logistics, which encompasses just about everything else in survivalism, is kind of boring. If you do a post on generators, or food storage, etc a lot of people just see the post title and pass on by. That's my belief, anyway.

    The thing that was bothering me when I wrote this post is that some blogs that deal with survivalists are obviously written by people who have some mental issues. One that I read that night was apparently solely dedicated to discussing shooting small animals with a hand gun and how much blood on the floor that generated. I know there are people who do what is called "varmit shooting" and I make no judgment about that, but this was a whole different order of things. I've seen another blog that mocks people who store food because the author planned to simply pillage those people of their supplies. Whether or not he could do so without getting killed in short order wasn't the issue so much as the fact that he clearly not only meant it, but was looking forward to the collapse so he could get started. You run across that every so often. Where most of us hope it doesn't happen but just want to be ready if it does, there are some in our community who eagerly anticipate the collapse because they will then be free of all restraints and can do anything they want to anybody they want to do it to. At least that's how they see it. Those kind of people bother me and I don't go back to a blog like that.