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Sunday, September 15, 2013

Does anyone have a copy of this book?


I don't know why I haven't seen it before, since it was released in 2012. I am particularly surprised since John Wesley Rawles apparently had some input in helping her structure it, and I have been reading Survival Blog for years.

I went to Amazon but the book is listed as out of print.

If anyone has one, I'd like your opinion on how useful it might be.  I can find one through a used book seller, I'm sure, but it will be very expensive.  Unless it's very good, I think I will just wait until a used copy shows up on Amazon.   I believe I can order one through the Doctor's web page, but it looked to me like the only way to get it was to order a "package" with a DVD and hard copy, and I really only need one or the other.

13 comments:

  1. If it isn't a large difference money wise, why not both? Keep the CD in the other building. Or send the CD to your kids up north...

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    1. Well, I already have all the survivalist medical books that most people buy, and I am somewhat suspicious about this being out of print after one year. Either it was super good, or no good, for that to be the case. If I can't find a used one I will probably bite the bullet. I liked what I saw of her writing so the odds are the book will be good. And, if it isn't, it won't be the first time I bought one and found it wasn't really what I expected.

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  2. I don't know anything about this book, but you can find "Where There Is No Doctor" for about $25 at a lot of booksellers-this the classic tome aimed at Peace Corps and similar types in the third world, which certainly has its adherents. I got my folks a copy and I've been able to download parts of it from some "Hesperian Foundation" (I think) link online. By the way, I'm the guy who was so impressed with your story about the problems with your home solar power system a year or two back and I've been sooo happy to discover this new blog again-I think I've read it every day (usually at midnight or so after I get in from work at the hospital) since I rediscovered it-all the best to you and yours. KB

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    1. Thanks for the idea, KB. I have "Where there is no Doctor" and "Where there is no dentist" as well as a few other classics on the topic. This particular book I wanted to read because I understand it has a chapter on the use of vet meds in humans, and I've been researching that. However, I'm beginning to think that's just one of those issues with no clear cut answer by an authority which has no agenda. I've found articles that go both ways, but the ones by medical personnel have been lawyer proofed to the point of uselessness, and the ones in favor written by non medical people often don't offer any substantive documentation to support their positive view. Personally I believe that with some caveats vet meds are fine if handled properly in an emergency situation, but if this book has a chapter on it and says so, I would like to read it.

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  3. I suspect you're right on the "...no clear cut answer by an authority which has no agenda" bit. I work in a hospital and don't know if I could get any straight answers out of doctors on the subject, though if things turned absolutely to pot this would all be very good to know. I know I've read the odd article here and there on the subject of using veterinary medicines for humans on www.survivalblog.com but I may not have paid much attention to them. Indeed, I may have to go back and search Mr. Wesley, Rawles blog for that very subject here in a bit.

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    1. I got interested in the subject years ago, because I had two small kids, who seemed to be sick all the time. Back then, there was only one doctor in the county and the hospital was just an emergency room with a P.A. at night. I got worried about what would happen if we had a big blizzard, or a big storm, and I couldn't get any help that way. So I started looking into emergency medical care. My wife had run a clinic in Africa, in Niger, and she had a good handle on a lot of it, but the mission board shipped them medication so she didn't know much about improvising in that area. I have vet meds on hand for a situation in which no doctor or pharmacy was available over the long term. I just figure the more you know, the better off you are. We have a huge medical reference guide my wife's sister gave us. It's very useful about what does what for what. Her sister and the sisters husband are both doctors, but our doctor in laws won't write prescriptions for antibiotics unless someone is actually sick , because of the super bug issues. So, for long term use I store the animal meds. If you come across anything good, either pro or con, please let me know at harryflashman23@gmail.com.

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  4. I will let you know, sir. That's interesting about your location and the hospital situation. My folks live on the family farm where my grandparents lived for decades (and where I lived from age 5 to 11) in a county on the Missouri/Arkansas line, Missouri side, where the hills transition to the flatlands of the Missouri "bootheel" and it's a lot more isolated than you might think. My brother and I were fairly healthy kids, but then, as now, the one hospital in our county of 13,000 souls, or so, wasn't all that great, and a good fifteen miles away, but we always had access to the bigger regional hospital to our northeast in Missouri's largest rice-growing county, this being 27 miles from the homestead, and they could probably take care of us. Indeed, they did a decent job with my grandmother and great-aunts in their nineties. I, on the other hand, work at a serious level 1 trauma center in southwest Missouri, probably the largest hospital in that part of the state, and if nothing else, I get exposed to some serious trauma stuff and oddball medical cases, which is surely preparing me for something interesting, like the poor fellow from last weekend who crashed his motorcycle and transitioned to organ donor within a few hours while we ran, seemingly, every test and procedure to save his life and toward the end all I could think was how much he smelled like me field-dressing and then butchering a deer as quickly as possible on the unusual 80-degree fall day. Best of luck with the vet. antibiotic treatment searches. KB

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    1. KB, working in a trauma center is rough. I've been told that you become hardened to it over time, but I wonder. It's good you can do that work though, because somebody sure needs to do it.

      We have a decent little hospital now, at least it looks like a hospital instead of a shack. For any serious medical issues, they have to send a helicopter and fly people to the big medical center on the other side of the mountains from us.

      Please do keep me in mind if you come across anything interesting on that antibiotic issue, or any other related to self sufficiency. I'd appreciate it.

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  5. Could your library order it? That way you could see if it's worth owning. I have a local library that has some sort of grant to buy books, and whenever I want something they don't have, they just order it for me.

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    1. Alas, our library exists only to provide jobs for the county commissioners' extended family. The woman who runs it now is not what I would call "customer service oriented."

      The library itself is well stocked with trashy paper novels which readers have painstakingly gone through and censored using a magic marker, lining out terrible words like "hell" and "damn". There is a big sign on the library entrance that says "please do not censor the books" but they do it anyway. Not much else to be found there.

      However, there is a small college about 30 miles from here, and that librarian might. I will see if she will do that for me. I appreciate the thought, it never crossed my mind .

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  6. Harry, Amazon has one hardcover new book avail for $110= $3.99 shipping as of right now.

    http://www.amazon.com/Armageddon-Medicine-Doctor-Beyond-Instruction/dp/0982508123

    That is $30 cheaper than ordering it from Cynthia's web site directly.

    http://armageddonmedicine.net/?p=6276

    I'm a retired Paramedic and browsed a copy a friend had bought.

    I found what I did see pretty good but couldn't talk myself into spending that kind of cash for the book and here's why; I have a couple dozen in depth books on medicine, been a Medic for 27 years with ER, ICU and Trauma center experience as well as the ambulance.

    To buy this book would have been redundant and overkill for me. For someone without some formal medical education, this would be a good book to buy if, they can stomach the price.

    JG

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    1. $110.00 ! That's way too much for my wallet unless I know for sure I want the book. But that confirms it's out of print, since people want outrageous prices for books they know you can't just order anymore. I appreciate the info. I wonder why Amazon came up with "not available at this time" when I tried to find it. I sometimes think that their listing service is less than perfect.

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