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Friday, November 22, 2013

M1 Carbine. A good weapon for the wife.

I was joking around with Kymber tonight, and the issue of a good weapon for a very petite woman came up. Here's my suggestion.

military surplus is out there, but a bit pricey these days. Gun shows are a good place to find it. Or, you can try AIM, SOG, Century, or Samco.

AIM and SOG both carry this Mexican production. It's non corrosive, boxer primed, reloadable brass case. Price is good.

This stuff will coldly spoil some miscreants day. When a sporting goods store went out of business I got two cases of it for peanuts. I have carefully hoarded it.  This is for when you need to get someone's serious attention.

The M1 shoots a pistol round.  You can buy it in full metal jacket or hollow point.  Ammo is plentiful if expensive. The 15 round magazines that I think it works the best with are available new for very little, mostly the excellent South Korean made versions.

There's no recoil to speak of.  They are reliable, easy to clean, easy to field strip and reassemble. I own two. One is a World War II Winchester produced gun.  Those are expensive these days. The other is an Israeli built commercial version with a vented metal handguard instead of the solid wood handguard. You could replace the metal handguard with wood in about ten minutes if you wanted to. The wooden handguard is easy to get from Sarco or any other gun parts supplier.

I like my two M1 carbines, and I tend to use the commercial gun, which has no collectors value as a shooter while I just "have" the other one.

So that's my vote for a good carbine with which to equip a wife or girlfriend who is not very tall or heavy.

18 comments:

  1. Harry - thanks for the info. your opinion on anything weapons-related is always appreciated. the one prob with the carbine is that we would have to specialty order the ammo (tres expensive!) whereas we can get the 30-30 ammo for the tiny marlin from anywhere here on the island which is what makes the marlin so attractive. but hey - if you wanted to "gift" me that carbine in the first 2 pics (it's gorgeous!), as well as gift me with about 1,000 rounds - well, that would just make you one fine gentleman friend - bahahahah!

    much love to you and yours! your friend,
    kymber

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    1. Kymber, can you folks have a semi-auto in Canada? I thought they took them all away from people, I'd be glad to find out I was wrong.

      Ammo is expensive here too, but since prices on the most commonly used ammunition went sky high, now it is more competitive.

      You know, it's an odd thing but I have never owned a Marlin. I have two Winchester 1894 rifles in 30-30 but I don't think I've ever actually fired those since I don't hunt. They are more in the way of having them in case I ever need to!

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    2. Harry - owning a semi-auto is a little...shall we say "grey" up here. certain types are allowed...kinda'...others have been grandfathered in and have passed amongst family members without registration...shady deals can be made if you are inclined...and a whole pile of other stuff. fully automatic is not allowed...unless you have one and haven't told "anyone" about it...you know what i mean. we have several places to buy the 30-30 ammo for about normal prices. we can get good deals on a reserve that's near our city and they are very helpful with anything to do with standard weapons like the marlin. we have a gorgeous marlin 444 - jambaloney's dad gave it to him and it is in pristine condition and a beautiful weapon. it's especially powerful for hunting as it can take down just about anything in north america that you would hunt - like big giant moose that live on the island and have destroyed more trucks than you can imagine, as well as deer - both of which is what we hunt up here. for food. a deer or a moose is good eats and fills your freezer for a year minimum.

      needless to say, i do not want to go hunting with the marlin 444. but hand me my own marlin 336y and i will be out hunting with the big boys. don't get me wrong, if someone was breaking into the house, i'd be black and blue from the recoil of the 444 and they would be dead. i just don't want to haul that big, heavy and really long weapon around in the woods!

      thanks for always providing such excellent information - we really appreciate it Harry! your friend,
      kymber

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    3. oh ahng on - you didn't mention anything about gifting me a carbine and a thousand rounds?!??!?! you must have just forgotten!

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    4. Kymber, when I am dead you can come down with J and loot my pyramid. I promise not to haunt you! :-)

      You are a tiny woman for anything too "kicky." I get bad bruises on my shoulder from my military rifles unless I wear a shooting jacket. I have an old USMC shooting jacket, because the new ones from the stores look too "prissy."

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  2. The M1 carbine has to be one of my all time favorites it is just so perfect on so many levels but like you say ammo is the main draw back especially if you want to shoot cheep. I have one, WWII era made by United Postal Meter. I wish someone would make an exact copy chambered in 9mm.

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    1. Duke, that UPM gun is worth some good money to collectors. It seems to me that someone did once make a copy of the gun in other than .22LR and .30 carbine, but I don't actually remember what it was chambered for. I don't think it was 9mm luger. That would be a nice combination, though.

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  3. Personally, I think an M1 in 7.62x25 Tok. would be the bee's knees, ammunition cost used to be really inexpensive a few years back.

    Love the M1, the empties are sent right at shooter's feet (no hunting under bushes 20 feet back!) I appreciate that. I have a stainless steel Universal commercial carbine, pretty sweet.

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    1. That would work. The Tok is still available really cheaply in surplus, although I have a feeling that surplus ammo is going to get to be really hard to find as Obama has the state department squeeze off important licenses and permits.
      S&B makes it, and so does Winchester in their metric series.

      I've seen a universal carbine. In fact, I am pretty sure the gun I had in college was a universal, but it's been more than 40 years and I can't remember exactly now.

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  4. I have always liked the weight and feel of the M1. Not sure why so many folks look down their nose at it. Like Duke says, it would be nice to have one in 9mm. Except even this round is still hard to find post Conneticut.
    --Troy



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    1. Troy, it's hard to find in my neck of the woods too. Ever so often some will show up at the local walmart. I just got an email from AIM and they listed Aquila 9mm, new production, brass cased, boxer primed fmj at $14.95 a box, plus shipping and now you have to pay tax too thanks to Congress.

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  5. I've always wanted an M1 Carbine. They are the quint essential self defense carbine. Neat little guns, like an M1A somebody put in the dryer on hot then it shrunk!

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    1. I am always surprised at how popular they were with front line troops in ww2. I know they are very light and I know how much difference that makes, but the Garand or Thompson had so much more stopping power. They are sweet little weapons though and I never talked to anyone who didn't like them.

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  6. For those wishing for a M1 Carbine in 9mm, such a beastie is supposedly in the pipeline:
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/11/13/citadel-m1-carbine-9mm-additional-information/

    But my own opinion is that anyone who can handle an M1 Carbine can handle a Mini-14 and would be better served with the .223.

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  7. I should also point out that if you want a 9mm carbine that is very much like the M1, Ruger's PC9 carbines can be found on Gunbroker and they are excellent little guns.

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  8. I will second what CZ said. The Rugers PCs are excellent. I was saddened when they went out of production. Regarding M1s for women, you may find it interesting that Vicki Farnam uses one and she and John recommend them for those of smaller stature. Hers has select parts coated with Robar NP3. I have seen her shoot it, and left convinced that with good ammo it would be an excellent choice for 100m or less. We also had the opportunity to see a demonstration (4 layers of denim over ballistic gelatin) of Corbon DPX in.30 Carbine, and it too impressed me greatly.

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  9. I am with Commander Zero and Havenseeker, although if a semi- is sketchy in Canada, you can go with a whole variety of lever action pistol caliber weapons made popular by the Cowboy shooters.

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    1. I am not much of a one for long guns in pistol chamberings, other than the M1 carbine. I like some power in a rifle, so for myself, something like a Mosin Nagant M1938 works better. But for small frame people I can see where a 9mm carbine would be useful.

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