“There is no real ending. It’s just the place where you stop the story.”

― Frank Herbert

Friday, November 15, 2013

Homo homini lupus est.

I usually watch Doomsday Preppers, or at least tape it for later.  Tuesday I settled down to watch the show , and they surprised me. Instead of the ordinary narration about how so and so was preparing and why,  it was about some character who had formed his own band of would be marauders in Washington State. His plan was to take what he needed from other people.  I watched maybe ten minutes of it and turned it off because I was so repulsed by the whole idea. But really, I should have watched it.  The whole reason for sitting through an hour of that show is to pick up new ideas. Certainly this one should have been worthwhile in that respect.

Not that the individual on the show was very impressive.  He pranced around saying "I'm going to take your stuff and there's no way you can stop me." Now, I guess maybe that could be true in Washington State, though even that seems a stretch. Back here in the South, I doubt this individual and his little band would last a week. For one thing, he seemed to assume that his victims would all be unarmed and asleep in bed when he materialized. He also seems to have discounted the fact that most people have dogs, so it wouldn't  be easy to break into the house and kill everybody off in their beds.   Just because this guy and his band were clowns, doesn't mean everybody who thinks that way is too.

If you remember the L.A. riots, you will recall that some of the people (and I use the term loosely) who were interviewed after attacking cars, pulling people out and beating them up said they were having a great time. The video of the kid throwing a brick into the skull of the truck driver who had been beaten up, and then pointing at him and dancing around the guy laying on the ground,  is a good indication that there are people who delight in barbaric behavior.


 Guns and Ammo magazine was located in a big building down town. After the riots, Guns and Ammo ran an article about the whole event as it effected them. Several other magazines, of the haute couture variety, were located in the same building.  The people who worked for those regarded the Guns and Ammo staff as knuckle draggers and did their best to ignore them. They wouldn't even exchange greetings in the elevator. One of the things I remember from the article was that as the fire and smoke drew closer to the building, all these "beautiful people" from the glossy magazines started showing up in the Guns and Ammo offices, asking if they could stay there until things quieted down. Now why would that be, I wonder?

The point is, there really are some savages out there. Sometimes the threat of the law and being apprehended holds them in check.  If that threat is ever removed,  then these people run absolutely wild.  I come across blogs occasionally  where the authors are waiting for the collapse with baited breath, because that will be their opportunity to pay everyone back for everything about society the writer doesn't like.   Sort of a Katrina event on a larger scale.

I remember one Doomsday Preppers show  where some latter day Hippies in New England were building themselves a self sustaining group. When asked what they would do if they were confronted with violent looters, the lady who ran the thing said they would invite them to a meal and teach them to cooperate.

Good Luck with that.


27 comments:

  1. Harry: "Chunky Love" is in western Washington wich is very liberal and he is fairly close to Joint base Lewis/ MChord Ft. Lewis is home to 5th SF Group and 2nd Ranger Bn. and while I never worked with SF, the Rangers would crush that guy while in PT uniforms. This guy canceled his Facebook page because people were saying mean things to him.
    I've worked the numbers and raiders of any sort can't last that long because there are simply not enough victims to go around. There are about 3 million preppers/survivalist in the USA that means about 1 in 100 people might have 3 weeks to 3 months of food on average. A prepper with a year or more of food is considered hard core.
    Now this moron with his 80 "followers" would have to break into teams of about 10 people on average and they would have to carry off about 700 pounds of food and nearly 2 tons of water every two weeks just to supply one 10 man team and base camp. That's just food and water, not ammo, gas or any other basic items needed for survival.
    I don't know of a lot of preppers that have that kind of food stored that easy to prepare and portable. A lot of us store dry goods like beans, rice and grains and I bet that moron could not cook or bake anything with those items.
    Kind of makes you wonder who he has watching his family while he plays Rambo?

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    1. Jamie, I didn't even consider the logistics of what he was proposing to do. You've got the numbers down pat. I didn't realize he had recruited so many to his plan though, that's kind of shocking. I wish I hadn't turned it off, I should have gone ahead and watched it. But it seemed to me that the producers were hitting the self reliance movement a good one below the belt, because all we need is people like this character being considered as one of us. I have a low aggravation tolerance level, I have to work on that.

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  2. Harry, I will believe he has 80 dues paying members when he can muster 72 of them (90% as some will inevitably be elsewhere, sick, etc) anywhere. Probably all hat no cattle.

    Also I think this fellow vastly underrates how well armed people in the PNW are. It's sort of a weird area. WA has a hippy belt from Everett to Oly along the I-5 corridor. Oregon has dots in Portland, Salem and Eugene. The rest is coors light, pickup trucks, shotguns and deer rifles. A good percentage of people there own at least a couple guns and know how to use them. While they are not as overt about it folks there are about as well armed as in the South (I say that having lived in both places).

    Honestly I do not think this yahoo has a good chance of taking over the trailer park, let alone raiding all over the region.

    Note I didn't even touch on Ft Lewis. It doesn't need to be the cool SF guys from 5th group or 2/75 Rangers. Wiping this guy and his 7 yahoo friends out is an easy job for any Infantry Platoon from any of the 3 (if I recall) Brigades there.

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    1. Ryan, platoon? heck an infantry squad would probably eat their lunch. This punk is 29 years old and I bet even though I'm 100% disabled and in my late 40's I could out walk and out work him as far as making something of worth. I have a very hard time believing this idiot has 80 dues paying spartans. Then again I'm surprised by the politician folks send to DC.

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    2. I figured he probably has a few actual friends and went with the 3/1 ratio for attacking. Yes he probably isn't much of a threat to anyone and has issues if prolonged dismounted movement is needed.

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    3. Ryan,

      80 does seem like a lot of people. I wouldn't think there would be 80 people in his general vicinity who were willing to rob and loot. That's a pretty low moral level for a person to have. As you say, holding a group like that together would be difficult. I was not impressed with this fellows leadership skills, though I didn't watch long and maybe later on his image improved.

      I do worry about the real thing, though. I know one individual who touts this plan and he's capable of making it work if it ever comes to it. At least until someone shoots him.

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  3. I was in the thick of the LA riots working nights as a gasoline tanker driver. When I heard of the truck driver being attacked, I reached over and locked the passenger door. First time I did that in 7yrs driving - usually I left it unlocked in case I had to get out in a hurry (fire). I never forgot what I saw during those days. It was complete anarchy as law enforcement 'disappeared'. The most shocking thing I saw was so-called 'civilized' people (driving Mercedes Benz's and BMW's) behaving like animals. Terrified, they ran stop signs and lights in an effort to get where they needed to go. I expect lawlessness from looters; I naiively did not expect it from others. I was young and surprised at how fast it became every man for himself. People openly displayed handguns - UNHEARD of in Calif.
    2nd night I saw Korean businessmen had stacked bundled newspapers 4' high in front of stores, with guns resting on top of the stacks as they stood by and smoked cigarettes.
    One night I was stunned to see HUGE military helicopters floating in low, slow formation. Later that night I spotted National Guard troops posted discreetly in an industrial complex. I waved to them because it was reassuring to see them.
    At one point I remember the cities initiated curfews and I was excited to see that mine was the only vehicle on one of the busiest freeways in the world at 9pm. Then I quickly sobered when I realized my tanker made a good target, or a potential weapon if anyone tried to hijack me.
    It was an experience which taught me that it is a thin line indeed between civility and anarchy and one must never assume that people will behave as expected.

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    1. I think that kind of experience is something you really have to have been involved in on the ground to fully appreciate. I formed my opinions on it from the newscasts, as I was a safe distance away. It was one of the worst racial conflicts that have occurred in this country in my life time, and I was around during the sixties. All of the factors you mentioned contributed to a really horrific event. The only ones who came out of it well, if anyone could be said to have done so, was the Koreans. They're a tough crowd in their own country and those who were in L.A. didn't let down the team. At the time I remember thinking they were the only ones who seemed to have any kind of organization or mutual support. I'm glad you got through it unscathed.

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  4. Whatever you think is the worst case scenario, double it" then triple it...

    This is my observation after the televised aftermath to the Super Hurricane in the Phillipines. People looting - just because they could. Not that what they were looting for useful food / water. They were looting "possessions" - much good they would do them as they starved and died of thirst - never mind contracting deadly diseases from the rotting corpses strewn about.

    The worst definitely comes out in people in an "end of world" scenario. And worse than most people can conceive their fellow man being capable of ...

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    1. The Philippines is a very strange place. Some parts of it are modern, and others haven't changed much since the Spanish American War. They have a relatively weak federal government, and their society is like ours in that it's riddled with gangs and gangsterism. It's not a good place to be in terms of personal safety at the best of times, and when the chips are down they tend to fragment and victimize one another. Not that we don't do that here as well.

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  5. That Guns and Ammo story is very telling. I have seen it in action to a lesser extent in my life but the truth is these snobby Feminist may ridicule the "Old White Guy" but when the stuff gets serious they know who to come running to.

    Of course if they get their way before it happens there won't be any of us left for them to hide behind.

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    1. I guess it was a case of "any port in a storm." I never heard if the relationship between the different magazine staffs thawed some after that, but my guess is that as soon as things settled down the beautiful people went back to snubbing the "gun nuts."

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  6. I guess there will always be some Lord if the Flies types out there.

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    1. "Kill the pig! Cut her throat! Spill her blood! Bash her in ! "

      They're out there, sure enough.

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  7. If the guy in Wa hadnt sounded so moronic, besides looking like two #s of poop in a 1# sack, I wouldve held out hope he was playing devils advocate in order to motivate others. I work with a guy that has LOTS of ammo & guns. He bought 8mm by the pallet. Anyway, I tell him about a story I read, a preppers was about to come out of the closet to 2 friends. Both friends were "pillars of the community." Luckily both friends unmasked themselves as "marauder" types before he revealed himself. My coworker looked at me and said thats what hes planning on doing. Im sure he is serious.

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    1. It's probably better to lay low. Or at least, to know you can trust someone before you reveal your identity and location to them. That incident you mentioned is one of those "bad experience" things that can happen.

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    1. If nothing else, the episode was thought provoking. Wish I hadn't got mad and turned it off.

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  9. Nat Geo jumped the shark on this one.

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    1. Yeah. All they care about is jumping up the ratings. Doesn't matter how they have to do it.

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  10. I saw the trailer for it, but missed the episode, They will show it again. I did watch the one with the New England people. I just shook my head, those folks live in "once upon a time town" they believe every one will be nice...yea right!

    You are correct, I don't think that Washington State guy would fly far in the Southeast. We keep our female dog kenneld at night in the front room, the reason is because she barks at anything and serves as our first security alarm that something is up.

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    1. I wondered if they even lived on the same planet when I saw their little enclave of nice people and realized they thought everyone was that way.

      I trust a dog over my electronic sensors, even though I use both for security.

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  11. What is with all these overweight pseudo-survivalist hacks? Seeing more and more of them in the media. This particular inbred would have a heart attack before he attacked his first victim.
    --Troy

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    1. and going along with your comment, I think he claimed to be an apex predator.

      I guess with a fork and knife in hand, working his way around "an all you can eat buffet", he probably is.

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  12. As I understand it from another blog, his stupidity has gotten him removed from his militia.

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    1. I'm shocked that he could ever have gotten into a militia group. The people I know who are militia are very particular about who can join them. You'd have an easier time getting into the local country club.

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