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Sunday, January 26, 2014

The Coming Dark Age by Roberto Vacca

"It is certain that free societies would have no easy time in a future dark age. The rapid return to universal penury will be accomplished by violence and cruelties of a kind now forgotten. The force of law will be scant or nil, either because of the collapse or disappearance of the machinery of state, or because of difficulties of communication and transport.  It will be possible only to delegate authority to local powers who will maintain it by force alone."

I believe this. I have been in a country where there was no law at all, and no mechanisms associated with the rule of law. What Vacca says in that paragraph was all true.

Given the right circumstances, I'm sure it could happen here. At the core, we aren't any more civilized or any less barbaric than the people in that country.  And now, we're just as balkanized and split by ethnicity, political affiliations and religious beliefs as they were.

I think what would happen here, in this county, is that the Sheriff would use his authority to call up "provisional deputies" , which means local volunteers with whatever equipment they have. In these mountains, in this culture, you could field a lot of heavily armed men that way. A great many of them would be people without much interest in sensitivity or philosophy. Many of the locals up here are very hard people.

I also think the county commissioners would gen out some bogus paperwork allowing them to take "for the common weal" anything they wanted from private citizens.  Private property would cease to exist, and they wouldn't ask first. Someone like me, who has been carefully buying and storing food, medicine, ammunition, firearms and the like would be left without two sticks to rub together. I have no doubt the penalty for non compliance in times like Vacca is writing about, would be quite severe.  Another reason to keep information that might lead to me obscure and sparse.

Where it would all come apart would be in trying to keep the Golden Horde out of here.  With a major city three hours drive away, I don't think they could.  All these roads they've built in the last 25 years, promising prosperity for all as a result, would be the end of us.  I personally live far enough out from the roads, and deep enough in the forest that I might have a chance to escape the notice of freebooters. I suppose only the actual event will tell.

Maybe I'll live out my life before that happens, but I have a feeling this is coming sooner than most of us would credit.

16 comments:

  1. Ya the common good socialism speel has been too engrained into all governments so I imagine you are right about them taking and feeling justified in that. At least at first. My bet is after the tit is turned off a number of them will revert back to how the locals feel.

    The refugee thing doesn't bother me however. It might if I was out somewhere with wide open fields and little if any rivers but around here a couple of downed trees and a bridge destroyed and no way the city folk are gonna make it far. They might try hitting a few houses along the way but that won't get them very far. If it's Winter all the better actually.

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    1. When I moved here, this was an isolated place. Two roads crossed in the center of town. Both were two lane and both wound up through the mountains. Getting here was tough and it would have been easy to block the roads if need be. But the wealthy people here, who basically owned most of the land and businesses, pulled strings in the capitol to have a huge road brought up here from west of the county. Relatively flat, it has four lanes and goes out to the nearest city. While it may have increased the value of the land the well off held, it certainly brought crime and undesirables up here. The first week it was open a bunch of thugs drove up and robbed the only drug store in town , and that was a harbinger of things to come. The changes that have occurred here since 1986 have largely been for the worse.

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  2. I think it maybe just a matter of time. We are an hour due west of Minneapolis. 2 blocks from a U.S. numbered highway. My chances are 50/50. Our town is like 2k. Who knows what will happen??. The big cities are going to go to hell faster then it will here. Not too many city folk will come out here to farm country to hit up the cows. I think all the nut cases will hit the Indian Casinos and their homes well before they come out to the sticks. ????

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    1. The famous rule of thumb from the Victorian Era is that all cities are three meals from revolution. That's certainly true today. In their time, it was the issue of time in transit and available transportation with an inability to store food for long periods. In our time, it's the Japanese system called "Just in Time." That's why you can't ask at Walmart for an extra case of something from the "back room." There isn't any back room any more. Computers determine how many cans of X to keep on hand so that none has to be kept in storage on site. They save money but have zero flexibility if the roads and rails are not functioning. People in the city will have to leave once food stops coming in. That's why I go to such lengths with my kids to try to keep them on track for getting out of there and either going North to Kymber and J's, or South back home. In a situation like yours and mine, where there is a big city nearby and a good road, we are not in good shape. Flush a million people or more out of a city on all the radials leading away, and everything along that line of march will be stripped clean. Consider that even decent people will be desperate, and how about the gangs and singleton thugs that infest every U.S. city now? Like you I would hope to be passed by, but in reality I believe the chances of that are slim.

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    2. Harry - your kids, and you and your wife, will always be welcome, and will find sanctuary here.

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    3. they will hit the cows. in germany hungry people went to the country and left mangled still living animals. they didn't know what they were doing but even at that they were barbarians and senselessly cruel. wicked.

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  3. Harry,

    (captaincrunch)


    Down here, big cities like San Antonio will empty out with most of the Mexicans going back to Mexico. I am out of the line of drift, kinda you could say. Houston, Dallas will fall into chaos and what will be interesting is liberal, non meat eating vegans in Austin being forced into cannibalism. (Oh' what will a hippie do)
    Lots of tasty tattooed people in Austin, don't choke on any piercings "The Road meets Woodstock" (That would be a hell of a movie)

    Oh' on a side note. I pulled a line from one of my favorite movies "Kelly's Heroes"

    A quote from "Oddball" (Donald Sutherlands Character)

    Why don't you knock it off with those negative waves. Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here. Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change.

    When the surf down here is 'not so good" and we want to surf one of my friends is always negative about it, I always tell him. Enough of the Negative Waves, Moriarty. Enough of the Negative Waves. My friends a fan of the movie too and we get a laugh out of it.

    By the way Harry, we got another big cold front coming through later today with freezing rain and ice on late Tues and into Wensday.

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    1. CC, I don't know about negative waves, but I know the old saying "Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance." I do a lot of thinking about what could happen and try to plan for it. It's because I didn't give any thought to long term seriously cold weather that I don't have a gauge on my water pipe going up to the apartment, so I guess there's validity in the concept.

      I think you can afford to have a more relaxed attitude about prior planning because you are single, mobile, and well prepared to bug out if you have to. I have a family that is scattered, I'm fixed in position because I can't move all the supplies and equipment I've accumulated over thirty years of working at this life style. So our situations are different.

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  4. Yeah, many of us have many complaints about our governments, but do not realize that the order they bring. Many more would not 'behave' if their weren't any consequences to their actions. Like you, I think the bottom will fall out before 10 more years go by, its speeding up in my eyes . . .

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    1. The analogy someone made on another blog seems to me to sum it up. Our society is like a balloon, and the problems which are degrading it's viability are like the air in the balloon. We just keep on putting more and more air in, and never letting it out. It has to explode the balloon at some point. When I think back to the 1970's, we certainly had problems. But they are still all with us, I can't see a single one that has been solved. In addition, we have many issues that did not exist back then. More and more pressure on the system, and more and more pressure on the individual. What follows all this is easy to see, because it's logical.

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  5. Once the internet was absent at the school I teach at for a week. They shut us down because a student was trying to illegally download a movie. The students didn't know what to do. It was like panic mode for them.

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    1. I'm afraid I fit in that boat. I communicate with all my internet friends on blogs. I pay my bills on line, read the news on line, and keep my accounts on line. When my old computer broke down I felt really helpless. However, if things go bad and the net goes down, I won't be worrying about balancing bank statements or paying bills! ;-)

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  6. Harry - i have read many "Balkanization" books referring to the US splitting up like the Balkans. it seems very plausible and probably the best thing for various counties and states in the event of a collapse. it would definitely happen here in Canada in the event of even the smallest collapse. provinces like Alberta are already giving provincial tax breaks to individuals in their province and the Atlantic provinces are still the biggest drain on Ontario and Quebec. for places like my island - there is only one road to get here and it is a man-made causeway. we have hated that causeway since they built it in the 60's. in the event of a collapse situation, i am pretty sure that we have enough military veterans and ex-soldiers that we could man that causeway easily. and we wouldn't care what anyone in BC was doing as they are 4500miles away. i am not sure when S is going to hit the fan...but i don't think North America can carry on in this current way for much longer.

    your friend,
    kymber

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  7. G'day Harry,
    As an Australian it is hard to understand the fears expressed here about the collapse of US society and the possibility of the "Balkanization" of the country. Is the state identity of people stronger than their national identity? Australia like America was founded as an English colony, then as the population grew and more of the country was explored new colonies were established (NSW first, then VIC, SA etc.) Each colony was effectively self governing (due to the immense distance from England) until they formed the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901 and the modern Australia was born.

    However I would say that the majority of people here would consider themselves Australian first and say a New South Welshman second, as there are no definite regional accents here you would not even be able to guess where a person originally came from (although country people like my father do talk slower than city folk!).

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    1. Well, there are very distinctive cultural features common to different parts of the country. While they tend to be all encompassing generalizations, there's a lot of truth to them. For instance, I don't really feel any connection at all to New Jersey, Delaware, Maine, New York, Mass, etc. I don't say they are bad people , but my values and theirs tend to be different. Southern people tend to identify with their states first. Given Southern history, it's not surprising that there's an undertone of resentment towards certain other parts of the country. That's why our government goes to such trouble to warp the history books used in our schools. Almost all the social studies text books are written for California and New York, and the other states wind up buying them. You can be sure that those two states are not interested in a clear and honest representation of U.S. History, but rather in pushing their own version of what U.S. History should have been.

      So we have friction between different regions of the country, and now we have the growth of huge ethnic groups who don't feel any connection to "America", and who have no interest in anything that doesn't directly benefit their group. We're going the way the Romans went after the Republic became the Empire, and the end result is going to be the same.

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    2. Thanks Harry,
      Of course I had totally overlooked the "war between the states", I must do some reading as I do not know a great deal about this (although I have managed to sit through Gettysburg in one go). I imagine such a conflict must have a lasting legacy on the states involved.

      Here also we are having problems with ethnic groups who have come here as refugees yet share none of our Australian Values, the only bright spot is our new conservative government is taking steps to change the sorts of "refugees" who come here, especially the illegals who have been coming by boat from Indonesia. Call me cynical but if you can afford to pay a people smuggler USD$10,000 for a spot on a leaky boat headed to Oz then you are not really a bona fide refugee. The good news is with our new policy of intercepting and turning back boats, none have made it to Christmas island for 5 weeks.

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