Down the Rabbit Hole.
“There is no real ending. It’s just the place where you stop the story.”
― Frank Herbert
Nope. Me neither. I will take my chances right where I am.
As long as you have water and sewer, you should be ok because you have food stocked up, and you are not living in a place that would attract pillagers.Older people would have a hard time of it on the road. I think staying put and out of sight is a good idea if you can.The only thing that could drive me off the mountain would be a forest fire. If that happens, I am pretty well up the creek, since I could only move a fraction of my supplies and equipment in my truck and my Cherokee.Besides, I lost a lot of my motivation for bugging out when I read "The Road." Once I saw the movie, it would be true to say I had little enthusiasm for being "out there."
I'm pretty much set up pretty decent where I am, too. Reasonably off the main roads and stocked with more supplies than I can move easily. I can ride most things out and defend what I have, either by myself or with the aid of a few like-minded neighbors.
I'm in a similar situation. Well supplied on the mountain top, and I am hoping the extreme difficulty of getting here compared to sacking places along the roads will keep me out of the line of fire in the event of a breakdown. If it doesn't, I'm prepared to handle that too. But out on the highway, I'd be just one more old geezer and my physical stamina isn't what it was 30 years ago. Sounds like your set up is a good one.
Hey Harry,(captaincrunch)Remember some song from the 1960's that went "Hey Mr. Spaceman take me for a ride"If I could get off this planet. I would. If your gonna bug out. May as well as go all the way.
Hey Harry,(captaincrunch)The song is from "The Byrds" Mr. Spaceman is the title of the song. I grew up on classic rock. I heard the song, a long, long time ago.
Well, CC, I'm not sure what your plans are since you quit that job, but it seems to me you and the dogs could load up and get to somewhere away from a population center. Where does your mom live, is it somewhere that might be a good retreat? I don't mean I'm asking you literally where she lives, just in general terms.
Unless something changes, we'll be here. I remember reading in the Bible, Ezekiel I think, there was a warning that some will take to the hills (in this case it was the typical bug out location for them) but it will do no good.Basically, you won't be able to escape anywhere completely safe. Also it said that Gold and Silver will be worth nothing- because you can't survive on it and in complete collapse, who needs money? We'll stay where there are people to help with daily surviving but nowhere near the city. An blogger that went through the almost complete collapse of Argentina a few years ago preferred the city because they still had services and at least a little police protection but the main thing I remember is that when he traded for food or whatever they needed, he never did it with money because then people knew you had it. He would trade jewelry and claim it was his wife's wedding ring so it would appear they were down to nothing. That makes sense to me but I still would not be in the city.
Kathy, are you thinking of Ferfal? I've read his blog in the past but lost track of it. I know he published a book. I meant to read it and didn't. I'll see if I can get it from Amazon.As long as services are working, like water and sewer, staying put makes good sense. Or, if you have a septic system and a well, with some way to power the pump, you should be good. That's assuming your family and your neighbors can provide some kind of security for all. I can't really think of a worse place to be than on the road, unless it is in an apartment with no power, water, or sewer service.I think people would be wise to stock up on a little precious metal, because when all else fails, it still might be negotiable tender for things you needed. I think you are right. There are, by latest count, more than 352 million people living in this country. Most live in urban centers. If something disrupts the system and makes the urban areas untenable, those people are going to fan out across the countryside. Then, nowhere will be safe for anyone.
That is the blogger, I hope you come across the book.
I'm sure I can find it. I've seen it on the net, it's a paperback.
Hey Harry,(captaincrunch)I may have to bug out after all especially if my roof blows off in a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane (My roof is rated at 120 MPH) for windstorm.Another thought for you Harry (and everyone else)Suppose your house burns down in a forest fire??? or some other calamity hits.I am working on bugout plans with other people. There are Ranches, State Park, etc. down here in South Texas. I would rather not bug out. However the possibility is really there. I look at the Castle defense from middle ages. It works great until your water and or supplies run out as well as being overrun at some point by superior numbers.I would have a bug out trailer to carry essential supplies as well as spots on secure land to bury supplies if needed. No point in having all of your eggs in one basket.
Hey Harry.almost forgot. I thought a "bug out. retirement RV" would make a great choice for many as well as something to travel in on the side during normal times.
CC, forest fire is the one thing that could destroy my whole compound and everything in it. I've been here for several decades now, and had two fires that came close. It could happen any day. I suspect that everyone has some chink in their armor, no matter what their plans.The survival magazines all tout bugging out as opposed to living in a retreat, because most people would have to bug out of urban or suburban areas, so more readers are interested in that. Ragnar Benson and Wesley Rawles have written about retreats and some of my planning or improvements have been done on the basis of my reading of their books. A pickup with a camper , or camper shell, and a good trailer would be a nice set up. Provided you are not caught in traffic, or robbed because you look like a good source of supply to gangs or just roving bands of desperate people. I always enjoy looking at the purpose built bug out vehicles in magazines like Off Grid, Recoil, or American Survival Guide. But only the very richest can afford a vehicle that costs upwards of $100,000 .
Not sure what we would do. I can go North to family land (5 acres). Across the road is state land with timber. (heat source) on a river feed lake (fish). I think the large metro area will go down first and in time spread. Eastern US and West Coast will drop like a rock.
Rob, I don't think anybody really knows for sure what they would do, because there is such a wide range of contingencies that a person has to plan for. Still, it's good to have some plan in place in advance. I have a brother who spends a lot of time in Boise, and a lot of time in the Sierra Nevadas. In Boise, he lives in one of those palaces in the sky in a gated community. Very comfortable living and zero value without power. So he has fuel and other supplies cached in the desert between the Boise place and the Sierra Nevada place where he would shelter in a disaster. He originally established these because he was afraid something would happen and he would be in the mountains. Then he'd have to go get his girl friend from Boise and get back to the mountains. He wanted to make sure he could do it. They've been together some 20 years now, but he had a bad divorce with his first marriage and swore he'd never get married again. So really, we are talking his wife.