Monday, August 10, 2015

An addition to my preparedness equipment and supplies.

T==The RAP4 Less Lethal Live Rounds are hard wax spheres built to burst on impact. They contain a very fine Capsaicin II (chili pepper based) dust-like powder.Less Lethal Live Agent Rounds (Wax Shell) are filled with enough Capsaicin II powder to irritate a suspect's eyes, nose and throat.

   The Less Lethal Live Agent Rounds (Wax Shell) are delivered on-target by a high pressure system with enough kinetic force to get the suspect's attention, unleashing a cloud of Capsaicin II powder into the face (eyes, nose and throat) of the aggressor. The irritant incapacitates them by powerfully stinging their eyes, causing non-fatal breathing difficulties, and creating other extreme but temporary discomfort.

The RAP4 Less Lethal System offers effective tools for achieving suspect compliance. Because the projectiles break upon impact, they do not penetrate skin or pose ricochet hazards, making the RAP4 Less Lethal System ideal for defense even at contact range. As they burst on impact and fill the vicinity with the irritant powder, officers using the RAP4 Less Lethal System often don't have to hit their target to subdue the suspect. Rather, by shooting a hard surface in the suspect's vicinity, the suspect will be overwhelmed by a cloud of irritation powder.

Even when the suspect is running away, the officer can shoot into a wall or object in front of the suspect, leaving the suspect running into a barely visible cloud of irritation powder. RAP4 Less Lethal Live Rounds can be delivered effectively up to 150 feet away. RAP4 Less Lethal Launchers are the recommended delivery system for these and other RAP4 Less Lethal Projectiles, as our launchers replicate M4 duty-issue carbines while being designed specifically to shoot our wide range of .68 caliber less lethal projectiles.

RAP4 Less Lethal Projectiles have multiple applications:
Riot Control
Controlling Uncooperative or Violent Suspects
Standoff Situations - Multiple Suspects
Jail / Corrections
Domestic Violence - Fights
Transit Police Operations
Private Patrol Operators
Crowd / Event Management
**Live Rounds are prohibited in California, Delaware, Minnesota, Washington DC and Wisconsin to customer. In New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts, Live Rounds and Launchers must be purchased through an authorized dealer.
**Law enforcement, Correctional, Security and Military agencies please contact sales for purchasing information.
Rap4 .68 caliber paint ball gun.  Expensive, around $300

These are available on line, sale is not restricted to LEO.  Amazon has them, for instance, though I am looking for another supplier.

This seems an ideal way of dealing with Goblins when using a firearm is not appropriate. They don't need a special paint ball gun, a pistol of the appropriate caliber working off the same compressed gas cartridges a pellet gun uses will be adequate.

Thanks for the information, Ryan.

Link to Ra4 web page

Relatively inexpensive .68 caliber paint ball gun, under $300 bare bones.

For those times when nothing but the best will do , here's a good item on sale at Southern Ohio Guns.  I have one of these and it is prime.

Just because I recognize that there will be instances when an encounter with Goblins has not yet escalated to the level of using deadly force, doesn't mean I intend to limit myself to a less than lethal solution. I don't want to kill anybody.  But if someone threatens my life, or my family, I have absolutely no qualms about doing so.

After I did this post, I got an email from a friend who sends me a lot of good information.  He doesn't blog for a number of good reasons.

What he sent was a link to a story about the SAS in the Middle East.  One thing nobody can take away from the British, they have a small military but it's very, very professional.

SAS Sniper saves father and 8 year old son from beheading by ISIS.


  1. Right now I would feel a lot better if I had some of that. Please go read my post and give me some advice, OK. Thanks, Harry.

    1. Inger, I was just about to check my blog list, I'll read yours first.

    2. Inger, I went by your page and said what I could on an "open transmission" like a blog comment. I looked at your profile for an email address and couldn't find one . If you have one, send me an email to and I'll ask a few questions and give you some better options based on that.

  2. Mixed feelings on the whole thing. I think you need a camera system in that vehicle. Whether it's spitting lead, paint, or pepper, you will answer some very hard questions when it's over.

    Should you shoot paint or pepper, you'll most likely be sued by the shootee, and by the family if you shoot lead. If you can show cause with some video, then you'll come out way ahead.

    I think about the time they start trying to break the glass its time to start shooting lead, assuming you are trapped and can't drive off. Other wise a few dents in the vehicle, some nasty language with you not taking action is worth it not to run afoul of the legal system, even if it hurts your pride by not acting. And if that's the case then you don't need the paint or pepper guns, I'd rather deal with dents than the police who seem to be biased towards the blacks lately or deal with a lawsuit buy a thug.

    Not trying to be too critical here, and I have been in your position before but I was in the front, not trapped, and just ran the red light once he started kicking my truck door. Memphis of course.

    1. I am never, ever again going to submit to that kind of treatment. If I can't justify the use of deadly force, I'll use non lethal force. If they want to sue me, they can have at it. I'd rather get sued than go around feeling like crap the rest of my life.

      There's a limit to how much I can spend to prepare for some sort of altercation. I can afford the paint ball gun and the gas pellets, but that's about all I can do.

      If these guys had started busting up my vehicle, I could have used the Sig. Tennessee has a stand your ground law that specifically authorizes the use of deadly force to protect property.

      My best bet is to stay out of the city, period. If the brudda's are running the place, and they clearly are, I don't want to be in it. No magazine or book is worth that.

    2. Matt, I've been turning over your suggestion about a camera in my head. I didn't think I could afford it, but the more I thought, the more I realized it would be a good expenditure. I can't afford to buy a vehicle system, but I have been wanting a hand held digital camera that I could take videos for the blog with, so I don't see why I couldn't do that and just carry it in the car or truck when I was going out of the area. That's a good idea. Thanks for the suggestion.

  3. Mmmmmm no. The home invader is not going to use less than lethal means, nor the car jacker no any one else that wants to hurt me. I am a little old lady, but I carry concealed and will shoot first when threatened.

    1. Tewshooz. I had a Sig P226, locked and cocked, under a napkin on the front seat passenger side. But I did not use it because being cursed and reviled is not adequate reason to kill somebody. What I want this gun and these gas rounds for is a non lethal response capability if I get in this situation again. I'm not dragging away with my tail between my legs again in this life.

    2. My recommendation to Inger was a shotgun.

  4. The RAP4 system...oh the irony in that one!

    Sad to see SKS' at that price. Especially if it's Chineese. --Troy

    1. This one is Yugo, unissued, with a teak stock. I bought one when they first came into the states, about 8 years ago. I got it for about half that price, wish I had bought a few more.

      I thought the name of the system was ironic , too. Strange coincidence.

  5. thanks for the info
    less conspicuous than a tranquilizer gun
    why stay and answer to police?
    leave calmly no peeling out.
    deny everything if questioned
    must have been someone there in another vehicle.

    1. It seems a practical solution, fills the gap between no threat and preventing something from developing into a threat.

  6. Harry, You are welcome.

    1- I strongly recommend buying a paintball gun that in no way looks like an actual firearm. Something that looked like a normal pistol could lead to another person (who may or may not be an A hole) to react lethally and be justified. Get a stereotypical looking paintball gun with the big hopper thing on top.

    2- I hate to say it but in that specific scenario where you were stuck in place utilizing mace paint balls would seriously escalate the situation. Almost a sure thing you would have ended up using the SIG.

    About 40 years ago some guys sprayed my dad and a friend with mace. I can't say what came before that but I suspect everyone was probably on something and out of line. Long story short two guys with blurry eyes kicked the hell out of 5 guys. Think Vikings going Berzerk. It helped Dads buddy was a big old boy but regardless the point is valid. While very useful as a break contact tool mace is going to seriously piss people off.

    It would be another thing if you could pop off a couple paintballs then jam on the gas and go. Now that you mention it I want to get 3-4 CS grenades and a couple cans of bear spray.

    1. Ryan, I need something that's handy, and the paint ball guns with those big balloon things are very awkward. I realize the potential problems associated with using a paint ball gun that looks like a real gun, maybe I can find one that is brightly colored, or something of that nature. Most of the one's I've found on the net are designed for people who play those games where you shoot each other, and they want realistic looking guns. The good thing is that if I had fired a few rounds of this stuff through their open window into the car, none of them would have been able to do anything else at that point.

      My hope is that using this will give me time to disengage and depart the area before I have to use a gun. I am pretty sure that if the traffic light had stayed red just fifteen seconds more, the ape in the front passengers seat would have been trying to pull me out of the car and I'd have shot him. You only have to watch the news to picture the events that would follow that. Evil Cracker maces innocent black youth doesn't make as good a headline as Evil Cracker kills innocent black youth in unprovoked attack.

      Two things aren't happening. I am never, ever going to submit to that indignity again. Nor am I going to get killed and become a statistic. So I need to plan for what I'm going to do when it happens, and have on hand the equipment I need to stop things before they get to the point where I have to use lethal force. I have no trust or belief in the judicial system, nor do I think a white man who kills a member of a minority, under any circumstances, will get justice today. Zimmerman was the last time a trial will end with a not guilty verdict, no matter what. Blacks in particular have the politicians so buffaloed that they'll throw whoever they have to under the bus to save themselves and their perks. They've already done it multiple times to the police, and I have no doubt they'll do it to the citizens as well.

      Little tubes of mace like women carry aren't effective, I agree. 10 rounds of this paint ball mace in the interior of a vehicle will be, or a good long blast of bear spray will. I'm not looking to wade in and police up the fallen Goblins with an ax handle, I just want to get the hell away from them.

      It can't hurt to have the stuff. Far better than being in the situation I was in, with nothing but a handgun to my name. If that's all you have, you have to make some very important decisions in split seconds, with your life on the line. I want a way to disengage, that's about all.

      If something happens up here in my own county, that's a different matter. But in a city? I'm staying out of them henceforth, and if I have to go to one, my only desire will be to get there, get business done, and get out unscathed.

  7. Hey Harry.


    I need to tell you the story of 'sniper sam'

    sniper sam was a neighbor of mine years ago. A black family moved in a rent house up the street from us. A few days later a teenage black boy was walking by sniper sam's house and tossed an empty coke can in his front yard.

    sniper sam yelled at the kid and forced the kid to pick up the coke can and toss it into sams trashcan.
    That black kid was very angry.

    later that night (Saturday night) about midnight someone knocked on sams door. sam freaked out, got his pistol and looked out. There was no one there???

    about 45 minutes later, the same thing happened.

    at random times throughout the night, sniper sams door was being banged on and the perpetrator was no where to be found.
    sniper sam was a smart guy. sniper sam was getting real tired of this by four a.m. so sniper sam loaded up his paintball gun (with white paintballs) and snuck up on the roof from the backside of the house.

    A short time later, sniper sam saw that black kid and his teenage sister walk up on his driveway toward his front door.

    sniper sam opened fire.....the kids were in shock, they thought they were really being shot. They were not very happy and ran home as fast as they could.

    now, I did not know about this at all. On sunday afternoon, saw the black teenage boy running down the street 'zig zagging' like a liberty ship in the north atlantic during WW2. Then a few short minutes later the teenage sister ran down the middle of the street at high speed like a sprinter.

    I called up sniper sam and told him what I saw because it looked very 'odd'

    sniper sam told me the story and I almost fell over laughing. Sufficed to say those teenagers never went back to his house again. A few months later the black family was evicted and the problem was solved.

    this is a true story......

    white paintballs can really ruin a goblins day.

    1. I was planning on just a paintball gun with regular paint balls until Ryan passed me the word about the mace balls. Now that's what I want. A paint ball can really sting up close, I saw the welts a guy got off one through his t-shirt. But what I want is something that will make damn sure they can't come after me, because my primary objective if I have to use this less than lethal gear is to get the hell away. I learned a lot from this experience, I truly did.

      I think your bud got away with that because he was on your home turf there. The best thing to do away from home is exit the scene and disappear if you engage the Goblins. I liked the story though, and it had a happy ending.

  8. Harry, I did not mean to be critical. Truly sorry if it came across that way.

    Maybe spray paint the paintball gun orange or something?

    I am fairly to solidly certain you are not going to be a victim. Between your pistol and the shotgun or rifle I presume you have I like your odds in most scenarios.

    I have not given less lethal a ton of thought. However this weekend when I went to Houston in addition to my CCW piece and reload I brought my AR-15, Glock 19, get home bag and battle belt with 10 mags for the AR and 2 for the Glock.

    Need to buy some bear spray.

    1. You didn't come across that way at all. You had a damn good point, and one I'd been considering already. No, I was just saying the way it looked to me.

      I'm still pissed off , getting more pissed off day by day, actually. Maybe my writing is not as careful as I usually try to be.

      I didn't give less than lethal a bit of thought. Two times up here I've pulled a gun to settle issues and both times it worked out fine, nobody got hurt and I may have gotten bitched at by the Sheriff but I didn't lose any sleep over it.

      This last go around, it was just not something I ever thought of. I always figured if I was attacked, it would be easy to settle. But I didn't plan on the preamble, and how to stop it from going to all out. I never thought of a situation where the bruddas or the hermanos would have me trapped immobile. I'm thinking about it now.

      Bear Spray and one of these gas globe firing guns, that's the ticket for me.

      That and staying out of hostile territory. If you go into Mordor you are going to run into Orcs. We don't have any Orcs up here, thank god.

      Just Hispanic Goblins and they aren't as bad as Orcs on their worst day.

  9. Hey Harry,


    Something else about 'goblins' comes to mind.

    a great many years ago onboard the Puget Sound. I worked 3rd division on the boat deck. Some goblins had a very large, ghetto blaster, boom box cassette radio player.
    They played the cassette tape by N.W.A. all day long and it just about drove myself and my shipmates insane. I kept my mouth shut. There is no point in fighting goblins. they will win every time (almost)

    I would get coffee from the mess decks every morning and walk up the ladder wells to the boat deck for muster early. I would finish my coffee and leave my coffee cup in a gear locker on the boat deck that was near the main hatch that everyone in that division used. I don't know if you remember Harry. If you exited the hatch, the gear locker was would be to your immediate left.

    One night when we were underway and in darken ship. I was missing my coffee cup and realized I left it in the gear locker that morning. I went up out on deck and thanks to some starlight I found my way to the gear locker and found my coffee cup.
    I looked down and what did I see in the shadows, but the ghetto box that has been torturing myself and others for months.

    Endless possibilities came to mind. The first one would be too float test the radio (tossing it over the side) instead I remember I was wearing steel toe Viet Nam era jungle combat boots. I started to violently kicking the 'dual cassette decks' so that they could no longer play that God awful music (N.W.A)

    I let out a very enthusiastic kicking spree. I felt vindicated, liberated, and really felt good afterwards.

    I left with my coffee cup and an evil grin on my face.

    The next morning during muster the goblin who owned the then 'battered' ghetto blaster was upset because someone broke his toy. One of his supervisors told him 'I told you not to leave it up here yesterday"

    Those guys knew the ghetto blaster was vandalized and they were out for revenge looking for suspects and asking questions about who was out on deck the night before.

    I never told a soul.

    No one ever found out it was me who destroyed the ghetto blaster.

    For those who don't know. N.W.A. stands for (N-word) With Attitudes. Ironically a movie about NWA is coming out called 'Straight outta Compton" its one I plan to avoid.

    1. You did good. I'm surprised some Chief didn't come along and shut that noise down. I'd have thrown the damn thing overboard, myself, but kicking it to pieces was really better because I expect it pissed the guy off a lot worse.

      Good thing you didn't tell anybody though. It's mighty dark on the weather decks at night.......

      You should have told them you saw the biggest, meanest bosun's mate on the ship out there on the deck that night. Those guys stick together like glue and it might have solved the problem once and for all.

    2. Hey Harry,


      One hard lesson I learned in life. I keep my mouth shut if I do something. No one had a clue, don't say anything. No one on that boat could keep their mouth shut about anything.
      I think its in human nature to talk about things and other people, especially if someone is young. I learned that only the most hardened and disciplined individuals can keep their mouths shut

  10. I talk too much sometimes. Personality flaw.

  11. Just read this Harry, go SAS, proud to be British.

    1. The British have a lot of good troops, Kirsty. Strange to think you folks once essentially ran most of the world, but even then you did it with a tiny army and a big navy. ;-)