“Wyrd biõ ful ãræd.”

Tuesday, August 11, 2015

The Old Enfields are alive and well in Canada.


I like Canada. Everybody pretty much knows I sent my kids up to Vancouver for two years to go to tech school. I also paid a shyster to get them permanent residence cards. He took my six grand, but didn't come across with the papers and they had to leave when their student visas expired.

I don't blame Canada. Look at the nice, sedate country they have and then look at our "Fall of the Roman Empire" daily lives down here.



I watch a lot of shows filmed up there.  Survivorman Les Stroud has shot some good programs in Canada, and there are several others.  Ice Lake Rebels is good, about Great Slave Lake near the arctic circle. In the last episode, some Canadian natives were out hunting. I guess they used to be called Eskimos or Inuit but these folks were something other than that. Anyway, they had an Enfield No.4 Mk.1 they were hunting with.

In the last season, several other people carried these weapons on that show. The Canadians built the No.4 Mk. 1 at the Long Branch arsenal. I only have one in my collection because they were probably the best made, better even than the No. 4 Mk.I rifles made by Savage in this country.


A few weeks ago there was a news article about a big too do up there , because the Canadian Rangers, who appear to be some sort of forest service armed police, were being asked to give up their Enfield No.4 Mk.I rifles for newer weapons. There was a big stink.  So the compromise worked out was that they would get the new semi-autos but could keep their old bolt guns as well.  That would never happen here. The politicians and bureaucrats would just say "do as we decree or we will fire you."








65 comments:

  1. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    I saw that move 'The Water Diviner" on ITunes. It had many Enfield rifles of course in the movie. The movie was pretty good and even though I am very critical of muslims. The movie paints them in a good light (Turkish muslims) I spent a few days in Turkey. I cant say anything good or bad about Turks. When I was there the Turks seemed like well behaved people.

    On the Enfields. It would be neat to own one. I would prefer .308 because of the ammo availibilitie and that would limit me to the Isapore rifle.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I did a lot of TAD in Turkey. Mostly Dyarbakir, Izmir, Konya, Kanake. I liked the Turks. But I think they aren't as friendly now as they were 30 years ago.

      I liked "The Water Diviner", thought it was a good movie and I liked that the weapons were all accurate. Enfield MK.III, Turkish Mauser Model 1903, Mauser 1898.

      You can get British .303, Remington and Winchester make it, among others. It's not cheap but no ammo is today. Still, a gun store would order it for you or you could order it direct from Cheaper than Dirt. No more surplus though, this is all commercial.

      Delete
  2. Canada is like an entire country made of Nerf.

    Actually the Canadian Rangers wound up with some rilfe, I think a Sako, that is basically a dead ringer for the Ruger Scout Rifle.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I thought the article I read said semi-auto, but I could well be wrong. A bolt action would make a lot more sense in the climate these guys operate in.

      Canada has lots of land with nobody living on it. Good, forested land. I envy them.

      Delete
    2. Commander - i am going to take your comment in good faith. otherwise, i would call a couple of canadian rangers and they would put you in your place. forever. please respect that our rangers are trained in manners that would put american rangers, seals, green berets, SARs and marines to shame. i am not trying to say that the afore-mentioned soldiers are not well-trained. they are very well-trained. i know. i have trained with many american soldiers. first hand. but we have less soldiers in our country and our soldiers are trained to multi-task. and our soldier's training covers a variety of specialized fields that your country has specialists for. please don't ever make me think that you are insulting my country's military.

      i am a 10 year veteran. how many years did you serve, Sir?

      Delete
    3. Kymber, Zero was only kidding. His background is strong. He's a good guy. I think what he meant is that Canadians have a reputation for being jolly and outgoing. Everybody knows they did good work in Afghanistan. Hell, I even posted that painting of Canadian snipers in Afghanistan , remember?

      I was going to post a meme I found on the web that said "Canada, our beer is stronger so our women are hotter." But it had a very scantily clad , busty young creature in it and I thought maybe it was a little too risky for Old Harry's blog!

      Delete
    4. Harry - you know that i am usually very upbeat, fruity and happy but i take offense when anyone says anything about the canadian military. especially when people don't even know the circumstances that our finest train under. maybe i got a little hot-headed with CZ...if so, i apologize. still, tho, calling my country "an entire country of nerf" sounds pretty demeaning to my ears.

      Delete
    5. You touchy thing, you. Zero has been survival blogging a long time, way longer than I have. If you go way down to the very bottom of my blog, you will find my blog roll. His blog is Notes from the bunker. Check him out. I can't leave comments on the blog program he uses, but I enjoy reading it. If you leave a comment and it doesn't post it isn't him, it's some disconnect between the program he has and blogger.

      Delete
    6. Harry - maybe i am a little touchy. but i would never call anyone's country "an entire country of nerf" - i don't even know what that means??? but i would never say something like that about anyone's country. and i can't believe that CZ thinks that's acceptable. i don't care how long he's been "survival blogging" and i have read most of his posts and, as he asked what we paid for our piece of heaven several years ago and i replied and told him the exact amount. if someone asks a question, i have no trouble responding and answering that question. i have always been respectful to him in all interactions. however, when you call someone's country "a country of nerf", then in my mind, you are asking for it. and he obviously has no idea of the training that our rangers go through. and i will offer my apologies to you Harry, because you are my friend.

      can you imagine if someone called your country "an entire country of nerf"? i don't think i am being touchy or over-reacting. i think that someone stepped way out of bounds and hasn't bothered to come back and apologize.

      and i am sorry that this interraction is happening on your blog. i don't go out of my way to cause trouble. but ask anyone if they would like for someone to call their country "an entire country of nerf". i can' think of a single person who would think that was acceptable.

      Delete
  3. G'day Harry,

    I second that, my first ever target rifle was a Longbranch No.4 dated 1942, I still have it and it can still shoot much better than I can! Mind you a close second is my No,1 Mk3 smellie from Lithgow smallarms factory, you have to love a rifle that takes a 17" sword bayonet!!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hey, Sgt. The Longbranch guns are very scarce here, as people don't let go of them once they find one. Everybody wants one, either as a collectible or a shooter, because the Enfield Guru's who write all the books tend to agree that Longbranch put out the best in terms of fit, finish, and quality control.

      I just got a new Osprey book on the Enfield Mk.III, and it said that the Australians produced the rifle at seven different facilities across the continent. I didn't know that, I thought they all came from Lithgow.

      Delete
  4. The media is doing it's best to stir up the Ferguson issues here during the 1 yr anniversary of the Michael Brown shooting. Yesterday they stopped traffic both ways on Hwy 70, shootings, looting (the poor store owners that got looted last year) and muggings on Sunday night. State of Emergency is on again.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I've been following that, it comes as no surprise. I am even less surprised having seen the behavior of the individuals I ran into in Chattanooga. Frankly, a band of Chimpanzees is better behaved.

      They got away with it in Ferguson, then again and again elsewhere. So now they look at it as a free shopping night and a chance to behave like the savages so many of them really are.

      Delete
  5. Too bad Canada is so darn cold. Vancover is the only place with a half way decent climate. A shame the resident thing did't work out for the kids.

    Canada kicked US butt in the War of 1812 -you know, back when my ancestors lived there. :)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Yes, the Canadians like to twit the Americans about the war of 1812. There are some funny memes about it on the net.

      Vancouver is a really nice place. My kids loved it. I didn't research the lawyer I choose. If I had, I'd have seen that he had barely avoided being disbarred previously. Didn't find that out until too late.

      Didn't know you were of Canadian linage. But I did know a lot of Tories fled up to Canada during the revolution.

      Delete
    2. teehee. dudes - we burned your white house to the ground! WE are the only country that has ever invaded the US of America!!! bahahahah! but we still feel badly for doing that.

      sorry.

      Delete
    3. I wish you would come down and do it again, with the current resident inside.

      Delete
    4. Hey Harry, Hey Kymber!

      (captaincrunch)

      Reminds me of something that was a crying shame. Back in '96 I was living in South Texas and I went to see that movie 'Independence Day'

      During the first part of the movie, the white house was destroyed and everybody in the audience cheered. True story. I was appalled that those evil aliens (probably from Canada) did that to one of the most historic and symbolic buildings in American history. I just cant believe people, American citizens were cheering in the audience. It just goes to show how much pent up animosity americans have towards the leadership.

      what was more discouraging and appalling and sad was the American forces counterattacked and 'Nuked Houston trying to destroy the aliens"
      Houston more important than Washington. Does anyone realize how much natural gas and oil runs through Houston. I know Washington D.C. manufactuers manure and hot air, but Houston has a very extremely vital petroleum industry.

      Kymber' if the Canadian Nerf Rangers invade American again. Please spare Houston.
      You Canadians can have everything north of Virginia and everything on the west coast and we will throw in New Mexico, Hawaii, Michigan. Any state that's heavily progressive and union.

      There all yours Kymber.

      One final thought. Kymber, would Canada be interested in owning Mexico?
      We can help you with that if you'd like. We will even pay you to take Mexico.

      Delete
    5. bahahahaha! now see...the captain knows how to make fun of a situation! captain - there is no way in heck that we would ever want mexico. but we would take virginia, maine, northern new york and texas in a heartbeat. oh ya - we would take northern michigan too! and we would DEMAND that any state that had captain crunch would be ours too! it would be a deal breaker! bahahahaha! sending much love to you cc. always!

      Delete
    6. Hey Kymber'

      (captaincrunch)

      You Canadians Rock!

      I would move their if you'all were not so freaky about firearms (nothing personal)
      I make fun of everybody though. You know I was Navy so I make fun of the Marines and Marines make fun of the Navy. Its a tradition between us but I would gladly risk my life to help a Marine. Now we both make fun of the Army and the Air Force.
      Competition is fun but it also builds 'esprit de corp.

      Everyone makes fun of Canada probably because everyone wants to live there. We make fun of hundreds of men in skirts marching down the road being lead by four pipers playing 'Scotland the Brave' yeah' we make fun of them alright, right up until the point they start shooting at us.
      Then we would have to retreat.....

      'and oh' by the way. Kymber you cant have Texas. We are the worlds fifth leading economy, we got oil coming out our ears and natural gas coming out our tail ends. We would be glad to ship good Texas beef up north if you guys, just send us icecubes, icebergs, glaciers. Its hotter than hell down here (100 degrees fehrenhieght here yesterday, that's what 1500 degrees Celsius for you guys) our beer is getting warm!



      Delete
    7. I broke a toe on my right foot. wish I was down there, I could walk in the surf on the beach and soak it in salt water for free.

      Delete
    8. bahahahah! Captain - you are one funny guy! but i totally get the navy/marine thing - here in canada ARMY is king! and i served with the army of course. we make fun of our air force and navy! but they are our brothers and we would fight them with our bare fists and save them, or have them save us in an instant. and i never met an american soldier that i didn't like - and i met a lot of them!

      and heck - don't know if you know this or not but our last name is MacKenzie - bahahahahah! my hubby has papers that trace his family right back to Robert the Bruce! and our island has the only Gaelic college in north america!

      but buddy - if we can't have texas then the deal is off. we're gonna have to go back to the negotiating table. but no worries about ice - we'll keep you covered. we're good like that! xox

      Delete
    9. Harry - every time one of us kids fell down or got cut - my father would measure the wound. anything under 20cms did not require an hour drive to the hospital for stitches! my dad would have us go and put the wounded limb/body part in the ocean for minimum 3 hours...then put sugar on the wound and have the dog lick it.

      all of us kids have some pretty serious scars but none of them ever got infected. i made a bunch of military first aid instructors pretty squeamish telling some of my stories! xox

      Delete
    10. I remember reading that book written by the guy who hid out in the Philippines during WW2. He said that when they got ulcers on their legs, they let the dogs lick the wounds and they always healed right up. Sounds a bit over the top but clearly it works. Your dad's brand of bush medicine is strange to me, but you can't argue with success. If it works, it works!

      Delete
  6. Yes, we riot like we mean it, but over way more idiotic things to be mad about. Ferguson will probably name a street after him if they haven't already . . .

    .303 British ammunition is harder to find now. I agree with cap'ncrunch above, a .308 bolt gun right now makes more sense. I chose the FR8 accidentally when they were going for a song - now I'm glad I did. Sure do like those 10 shot magazines though - double your fun!

    Thanks for the post.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Or build a monument showing him seated with little children gathered around him. It amazes me, the capacity some people show for ignoring reality and constructing their own truths. Kind of like the older Russians who still miss Stalin.

      I have a ton of .303, mostly Pakistani, but the surplus dried up long ago. If you reload it's no problem, plenty of commercial reloadable ammo around and plenty of brass. But if you were going to have to pay market price for each round you fired, then it could get very pricey in a hurry.

      Wish I had bought an FR8 when they were available. But a bunch of internet pundits were saying the Model 1916 Mauser they were built on couldn't handle the .308 load so I got ancy and didn't. My mistake.

      Delete
  7. The rifle selected by the rangers to replace the old Enfileds is a SAKO bolt action in .308 cal made under contract by Colt of Canada. Apparently the armorers are simply running out of spare parts to keep the Enfields going. After some protest by the recruits they have been given the option to purchase the Enfields for personal use.
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/25/replacement-selected-for-canadian-rangers-lee-enfield-rifles/

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Seems like they could get all the parts they needed from American sources if they wanted. Springfield Sporters has a whole warehouse of stripped Enfields, among other things. Sarco and Numerich have parts. But maybe it just didn't make sense from a cost effectiveness standpoint. I wish they'd sell those rifles going out of service down here.

      Delete
    2. finally...M.Silvius a voice of reason and provides actual links. thank you.

      Delete
    3. Well! I put my link in the interesting news column! >:-(

      But I have so much stuff in there, no one ever reads it! :-(

      Delete
    4. It's just to the right of this, fourth story down , from the Ottowa Citizen.

      But I forgive you Kymber, because I like your bunny ears in your picture.
      ;-)

      Delete
    5. teehee. sorry, Harry. i wasn't referring to you not putting up good links. i just find that when M. Silvius comments here and on other blogs - his comments are relevant.

      Delete
    6. I was teasing you. Except that I do think you look really cute in your bunny outfit.

      Michael is a pretty smart guy. He warned me about trying to communicate with moon bats, I did it anyway and everyone knows what a disaster that was.

      Delete
    7. Hey Kymber and Harry, you give me far too much credit. In real life am far from the sharpest pencil in the box. If there is a mistake to be made, how ever remote, I have made it. Nothing like some pain to drive home a lesson. When its relevant I do like to share the tidbits I've picked up here and there. On this one I just happened to get lucky as I follow Thefirearmblog. They mostly feature a lot of tacticool stuff but I remembered reading a few weeks ago about the Rangers and the replacement for the Enfields. Thanks for the compliments though.

      Delete
    8. The more the merrier on a blog, and you come up with some good contributions to keep it interesting.

      Delete
    9. Harry - like i said before...i have seen M. Silvius here and on other blogs and i always find his comments to be on point!

      M. Silvius - you are very welcome! but what i said wasn't a compliment at all - just saying what i think to be true. and i do really appreciate your comments here and on other blogs.

      Delete
  8. I used to watch "North of 60" back when that was on. (Tina Keeper...yow!) Loved that show. And I loves me my Enfields. Between the two, I think that makes me one "Take off, you Hoser" shy of being an honorary Canadian.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I've been watching your restoration of the rifled musket. I don't collect that far back, but I like the rifle.

      It's not easy for Americans to get permission to live in Canada. Much easier for Asians and Africans, who don't have to have an immigration lawyer and don't have to go through all the hoops and wickets Americans do. The Canadians seem to feel about the U.S. like Oregon feels about California. Guess I can't blame them. Being an honorary Canadian is about the best a fellow can do these days.

      Delete
    2. Heck, come back over and see what I just did with a Long Branch Enfield that I finished yesterday.

      Delete
    3. with the power vested in me (by being an actual canadian), i now bestow honourary (spelled with a "U") canadianship on both Murphy's Law and Harry Flashman. Murphy gets his due to having watched and loved "North of 60" (awesome show!) and Harry because he would do so well up her with his philosophy of "live and let live - just don't bother anyone else".

      kymber, official canadian notary, allowed to designate honourary (spelled with a "U") canadian citizenship because i am a free canadian.

      Delete
    4. Cool. Now I have dual citizenship. You need to gin me up a Canadian passport now Kymber, so I can come up there and live. Also some Canadian import licenses for two truck loads of arms and ammunition which I have to bring with me. I don't go no where without my luggage!

      Delete
    5. Murphy's Law, I will. I'm always looking for one of those in pristine condition, just to have. I bid on a couple but I never was the winning bid. They are sweet rifles.

      You should start building your pyramid now, so that when you take Ra's boat for that last long journey into the sun, your grave good accompanying you will be adequate. My pyramid will be stuffed. If there's ever a spark in there people will think a volcano erupted on the mountain.

      Delete
  9. I like Canada too. I have a couple of friends who live up there. I have seen Survivorman, but not the other show, so I'll have to look for it.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Ice Lake Rebels is a family show, it's about people who live on houseboats in the big lake. Last year was the first season, so it's out on DVD by now. The second season is good as well. I think you would enjoy it.

      Delete
  10. I have a cherry 1950 Long Branch, last year of production. It is factory parkerized, not painted like most. It has most of the No4 MK2 features, like improved rear sight, but still the Mk1 style trigger. One of my favorite rifles...My brother is a "landed immigrant" up there, and except for winter, he likes it fine.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. How did he achieve that! I wish my application for my kids had been successful. They were never happier than in Vancouver, and I didn't worry about them as much as I do , now that they live in an American city that has had it's share of black violence over the years.

      That sounds like an excellent acquisition. Mine is a war time rifle, and not without blemish, but it took me forever to find that. I always keep my eyes open though, if I see another one I'll latch on to it.

      Delete
    2. Harry - as i told you before, if you ever wanted to try and get the kids in our country, we would help in any ways that we could. vancouver is a great place for people who want to be in the posh city of canada and yet still be safe from the wicked ways of the world. we are always here for your kids, and you and M, and always will be.

      i left several comments on this post and i hope that you don't mind.

      sending much love as always. your friend,
      kymber

      Delete
    3. He married a Canadian...Subsequently divorced, and he stayed up there for the kids...It's funny, some Milsurp is cheap up there, SKSs rarely top 250.00
      My 1950 is a wartime gun... the Korean war. I am kinda looking for a Savage one. I also have one of the cocooned 55 Fazakerly No4 MK2. It was opened when I bought it. Brand New. I have put about 100 rounds through it. Too nice to just shoot .

      Delete
    4. Kymber, you can always write as much as you like here. I enjoy your comments very much. I know you'd help the kids out. I want them to be really sure that's what they want before I invest the money into trying to get green cards for them up there again. It's really expensive. Right now they are pretty content where they are, but they usually only stay in one place for three years or so, and it's getting near that now.

      Delete
    5. J, I once got six Walther p-38 pistols from Canada for about a third of what they were selling in the U.S. but it was a collasol pain in the a** with BATF and Customs. I had to go to the Customs office at the Atlanta airport to pick them up, and I had to get import licenses from BATF.

      I have one Savage, in "rack" condition. Good shooter. I have three of the Fazakerly NO.4 Mk2 rifles. Two are from the same bath you got yours from, unissued. One has seen some use but is a good shooter. I shot both the unissued guns, as I was younger then and not really worried about value, but they are still in excellent shape.

      Delete
  11. Harry,

    I have family in Calgary, but Alberta is almost a different country from the rest of Canada culturally and politically. The rest of the country, from a political standpoint, is getting pretty liberal. But we here in the US are no doubt just a step behind...

    There have been a few laws passed up there that are cause for concern. You have to be careful now what you say, even in church. Pastors and the like can run afoul of the laws regarding so-called "intolerant speech". It appears the social justice warriors are coming out of the woodwork up there, most notably in Montreal.

    And while there are some great actors/singers coming out of Canada, I could do without the anti gun garbage coming from Jim Carrey.

    On the flip side, every Canadian I have known has been very down to earth and polite. They don't take themselves too seriously and are loads of fun to be around!
    --Troy

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Every barrel has some bad apples. I'm not real fond of the lawyer that shafted me in Vancouver. But for the most part, Canadians are good folks. They do have some English style laws, but I wasn't thinking so much of the political aspects as I was of how the people behave. They are more like Americans were in the 1950's.

      Delete
  12. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    I am not bashing the .303 round. I prefer .308 because I have a mess of it for the M1A.
    Standardization is key!
    I got plenty of 7.62 by 54R. I got enough of that stuff to give me 'rotator cuff' shoulder surgery (on both shoulders) Bloody Hell' large elephant killing Russian rounds are designed to be shot by big dumb Russkies with thick wool clothing.

    I really need to buy that Muzzle Break.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Just get a cheap, surplus military shooting jacket. I have no trouble as long as I wear mine.

      I know the logistics problems associated with multiple weapons. Think how many chamberings I have to keep on hand! Just off the top of my head, 7.62X51, 7.7 Japanese, 6.5X55 Swedish Mauser, 30-06, 8X56R, 7.54 MAS, 7.5 Swiss, 8mm Mauser, .303 British, .270 Winchester, 7.62X39, 7.62X54R. I am sure there are more but I can't think of them. And that's just the rifles!

      Delete
  13. I don't know a whole lot about Canada except having a great-great-grandfather who came from Nova Scotia. I can tell you this though, I like our Canadian bloggers.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Leigh, you'll have to go up there then and visit some time. I went to Scotland, courtesy of the Royal Navy, and it made me feel more in touch with my distant ancestors, who came from there and Ireland.

      I think the only Canadian bloggers I know are Kymber and J. I did read one nice blog , the lady wrote every day, but one day she just stopped. That has been more than a month ago.

      Delete
  14. Hey Harry, a guy that looks a lot like your brother showed up as Oathkeeper in Ferguson MO photo at FoxNews website today 1700 hrs Pacific time. Maybe it is a "twin".

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hell, it could be him. He shows up in lots of strange places, if the cause motivates him and his rage demands action. It wouldn't surprise me a bit. He's getting old, but like Conan the Barbarian, maybe he craved one last great adventure as the blood red sun set.

      Delete
  15. Don"t think Canada is gun heaven...they had everyone register all their guns even the 22x caliber long rifles and then after they got all the information decided they could scrap the law......no pistols for anyone private either...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I know, Fiona. But I feel like people living there don't have to be armed to the teeth because they don't have waves of illegal aliens murdering citizens, and 13 percent of their population isn't made up of an ethic group many of whose members are Morlocks.

      No where is perfect, but things are going to hell here at a rapid pace. I just got a reminder of that fact and it has rattled my cage.

      Delete
  16. You can actually own pistols in Canada. They are regulated, barrels must be over 105mm (approximately 4 inches) so no snubbies. I think 10 round magazines max also. Since they are regulated , first you need an acquisition license, and then need to apply for the registration for each handgun you wish to purchase. There is a third category , "Prohibited" weapons, which I presume are only available to cops. So, not as bad as New Jersey for instance...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I could get by if bolt guns 1881 to 1945 are ok.

      Delete
  17. Harry - i know that you read this post of ours regarding the laws in canada about weapon ownership...but i am leaving the link to our post here as it seems many americans don't really know about weapon ownership up here:

    http://framboisemanor.blogspot.ca/2012/06/she-said-he-said.html

    i hope everyone finds this helpful!

    ReplyDelete