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Sunday, October 30, 2016

Sometimes, you meet people in the national forest that you'd just as soon not rub elbows with.



When my wife and I go to town, there are a number of ways we can either go , or come back home.

One of the ways is through the national forest on an old logging road. It's a rough road, and there's always the chance it will be blocked and you'll have to back down the way you came until you can find a place to turn around.

Off the tourist tracks, on these old roads, you don't usually run into people, but you will from time to time. There are people who ride horses out there, people who want to hike off the beaten track, crazy, homeless people who make little camps and live there. Then there are the drug dealers.

Yesterday coming home we ran into some of the latter group.  I came around a corner, and there were two vehicles parked nose to tail, blocking the road.  One was a big black Dodge truck, and the other was a big black SUV. Both with the obligatory tinted windows.

Out of the truck gets a guy who looked just like this. No gun showing, and I did not take this picture, it's off the internet .  But this was the type.



I rolled the window down, and he walked up to the Jeep. He wasn't aggressive, but he didn't need to be.

"Where you go?" He asked me.

I told him we were going home and needed to get down to a creek just down the road, and there we'd be turning left.

"You wait here" the guy says. He goes back and gets in the truck. Then after a few minutes he gets out and walks back to the SUV.  Two more guys just like him roll down the window and they have a chat.

He comes back and says "You wait here a few minutes. Then you can go."

At this point the blood is beating in my  head.  I can hear the blood pumping like surf in my ears and I'm mad enough to bite ten penny nails in half. How is it that a bunch of Mexicans can stop me and tell me what I have to do or don't have to do? 

But it's like Chattanooga all over again. And this time, it's way more dangerous than four black punks showing their rear ends. 

I could put the Jeep in reverse and start backing out, but there's nowhere to turn around for some distance, and I have no idea what these guys will do.

I can't see them through the tinted windows, so I don't know if I can sneak my gun out of my shoulder holster. Even if I could, I don't know how many of these guys there are or what they are carrying. And, I have my wife in the car. I am not carrying "cocked and locked" and there is no round in the chamber of the weapon.

So I decide to wait , and to leave the gun in the holster unless I think something awful is about to happen.

We sat there for a good ten minutes.  Then the truck door opens, the same guy comes up. He smiles and he says "you go now. You turn left at road split. Not right. You understand?"

I said yes , they pulled the Truck out of the road enough for me to get by, and we went on.

There's no cell phone service out there. The Sheriff's Department doesn't want to know anything about any incident involving Mexicans. I've reported this kind of run in before and been shown the door at the Sheriff's department in short order.  And even if I could tell them anything useful, which I couldn't, and even if they caught these guys, which they wouldn't, and even if the ADA took it to trial, which they wouldn't, then I'd have to go to court and I don't think I care to do that.  The Hispanic gangs in Hall county, which are appendages of the cartels, have long memories.

I'm not sure if I'm being a fatalist, a pragmatist, or a moral coward but I think it's pragmatism. People who go looking for trouble find it.



Mexican Drug Cartel Activity. 
Red is bad.
Lucky Georgia.



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  1. I'm glad you kept your head, and allowed the situation to unfold without any adverse effects...

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    1. Dani, it all seems to be going downhill these days. I don't go to Chattanooga anymore after running into the BLM crowd and having to take a big ration of grief from them. Now I guess I won't be going out in the national forest on the old trails anymore, and I've enjoyed doing that for years. Where does it stop?

      I don't know what else I could have done under the circumstances but it's still a humiliating experience.
      I guess from now on I'll stick to the animal trails and off the old forest service or fire roads. I'll have to walk, but I can avoid this kind of thing by doing that.

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  2. Frightening scenario. Likely some sort of drug shipment movement going on. If he had chosen to plug you both right there and then there is little you could have done and it might be some time before anyone found your remains in a ravine. Seems to me you need a bigger arsenal when you travel that road. An SBR AK clipped to the ceiling of the car?

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    1. The really unnerving thing is that they know they can just stop passersby and hold them until their business is transacted. The DNR is responsible for policing the national forest, and they do try, but it's a huge forest and there are only a handful of them. And, the truth be told, they don't want anything to do with the gangs anyway. There are all sorts of stories in North Georgia about people who tried to stand up to them, and the end result was that bad things happened to them or their families. I only know of one instance where a cartel mid level manager was arrested up here, and that was an accident because the Sheriff's Department didn't know who they had until he turned up on a GBI want list after they arrested him for a completely non- narco traffic offense.

      I do need something heavier in the vehicles, but the problem is that stealing weapons out of the parked vehicle is a major way to pay for drugs on the part of the druggie scum bag population. Then too, I'm not sure how I'd secure an SKS or an AK-47 to the the top of the Jeep, for instance, in a manner that was secure but would allow me to access the weapon quickly.

      You are right about the fact that they could have just done us in and dumped us off somewhere. I suspect some kind of business or meeting was taking place out there and they were just sealing off the area. But what if you drove up on them dumping off a body or actually exchanging drugs and money?

      Should I just stay out of the national forest, where I've wandered around for more than 30 years? I don't think I will go out there with the wife anymore, but the dogs and I will go out in the truck to the places I like to go, to the waterfalls and the good vistas, and just take our chances. If I do that, and stay off the main roads, I can just sit an AK and a bag of magazines in the front seat.

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    2. Something along the lines of this might work, and if it had a lockable door in the open end it would allow you to secure the weapon when parked but when you are driving you could have it open and ready to access.
      http://www.autoanything.com/driving-accessories/60A4596A0A0.aspx

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    3. I went to that web page, and I get the idea. But they don't seem to sell anything for Jeep. Looking at it, I'd have to take the magazine out of an AK to fit it in something like that, so maybe your idea of using an SKS would be something I'd need to do. I have two of the little "paratrooper" SKS rifles Nornico made for commercial sales, and they are so short they are barely legal. I could also put some kind of gun rack behind the front seat in the Jeep, where the folded back seat makes a wall, but it would have to be something I could take out when I needed the back seat.

      I could lay an AK 47 on the folded down back seat , right behind me, in the Jeep and just cover it with a small blanket. I don't know if that's legal in Georgia, I'll have to check. The only place anybody could actually break into my car and find a weapon would be if I were at a store, restaurant or movie.

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    4. Yes, I am not seeing in other vendors that sell the product either. A more complete listing here
      http://www.vdpusa.com/truck/shelf-it.php
      I'd be tempted to go home built as that way you could make a top hinge lockable door on the open end.

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    5. You can do that, Michael, but I lack your skills. I have seen some gun racks made of cloth, that hand down behind your front seats. My wife could sew me one of those. But they aren't something you can get a gun out of in a hurry.
      I am going to start carrying a long gun but for now I will just hide it under an old Army blanket right behind my seat. I will have to make sure I lock my vehicle and park it right in front of the store I am going into.

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    6. Long gun in on the back seat would take a fair bit of maneuvering to reach. The fabric pocket that hangs off the front of the seat is good only for handguns. But in that case you are better to fix a holster under the steering column. They do make conventional ceiling racks for long guns and those are pretty much universal for all cars. Here is a handy rig on a jeep.
      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/04/b0/62/04b06293db27e3391614db0a3dec3a14.jpg

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    7. I'll take a look at that. Sounds like a good idea as long as I don't have to poke holes in the roof of my jeep with a power drill. ;-)

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  3. Staying alive is worth the aggravation. Keeping your wife safe is more than worth it. I can imagine how difficult it was for you to do nothing, but you got both of you out of a bad situation and all in one piece. Don't be so hard on yourself. Heroes aren't always the last one standing in a fight. Heroes sometimes do the sensible thing and live to fight another day.

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    1. I was raised never to suffer an insult from anybody. My father never did. But twice now, I've had to take this kind of thing and keep silent, because I couldn't think of anything else to do.

      You'd think living way the hell out here where I do, I would't be subjected to this kind of dilemma. I can quit going to Chattanooga, no more trips to the bookstores, and I'll miss it but it seems to be necessary. I can't hardly quit going out to the grocery store though. Seems like there is more and more I have to give up because it isn't "safe" anymore.

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  4. Oh Harry, how frightening. I am so thankful that you and your wife are o.k. Yes, I resent that we as American citizens have to "back down" and keep our mouths shut to illegals, blacks, etc. But, what choice do we have? As we all know, the world is upside down. Wrong is right and right is wrong. Please stay safe. Jana

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    1. Jana,

      It wears on a fellow. It also detracts significantly from the pleasure you can take from driving off road through the deep forest. Like so many other things today, I know it's not right but I don't know what to do to fix it.

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  5. Good Heavens Harry! This made my skin crawl. I admire you to no end for being a cool head. God keep you safe. It is a tragedy that cutbacks seem to be made in areas than need more investment and money pours into things like the Clinton foundation and Hillary's campaign coffers. The pure undiluted arrogance of these young criminals shows how far this country has fallen. Or maybe I should just say how criminality has risen?
    Be safe!

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    1. The drug cartels use the freeways going from Florida to New York to move their products. But they don't stay on the freeways, they like the four lanes that are being built all over Georgia and North Carolina these days. Gainesville, Ga is a major hub for drug trafficking, as is Atlanta. We have the misfortune to be located an hour from Gainesville, on a well traveled route going North. The Hispanic Gangs are more visible, since they are prestige driven. The drug organizations are less visible, but I think they are more dangerous.

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  6. Another solution maybe having National Guard units , Army Reserve, or Marine Reserve, Patrol at different times of the day. If you don't know when they are in the area, wouldn't they move on?? Even have choppers, fly over could bother them enough to move on. I know its a long shot, but something has to give. I know i'm thinking on a larger scale. Hell the shiners would freak out that the stills could be found out.

    What about a PA on the jeep, playing tank sound effects...???

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    1. Rob, the drug issue is viewed as largely being a federal problem. Also, nobody wants to bell the cat. That is to say, no one wants to get involved with these guys. We have large groups of MS13 in Atlanta, Rome, Valdosta and Macon. Who wants to have them set on you by the organized drug groups? Not me, that's for damn sure. There is no interest in Atlanta in advertising our drug problems, since tourism is now one of our major income producers. The Mayor of Atlanta, and the Governor of Georgia, whoever they may be at the time, do all in their power to make it sound like this is an idyllic place of magnolia blossoms and mint juleps. It's not, at least not anymore. Illegal immigration has completely changed the face of many Southern communities, and Atlanta is now a battleground between blacks, Hispanics, Asians and other imports. Crime is off the scale in the cities, and spilling out into the suburbs. But the system here doesn't want to acknowledge it.

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  7. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)


    I'm sorry you and your wife had to go through that. You did the right thing by listening to them. In Mexico that's how the culture is. Just let the guys with the guns do their business and civilians just stay out of the way and do as they are told and they will be left alone.

    I know that concept really, really sucks and I know it eats at your pride but your still alive and you don't have a target on your back. Those drug dealers are always living on edge because they know they can be killed anytime, anywhere and their families (La Familia) can be killed too just out of spite. Think about this Harry. They live in a constant threat of assignation, retaliation and betrayal by anyone at anytime. The life of a drug dealer, drug lord, foot soldier is short and hard.
    That's the world we live in now. A world where the strong survive and are not afraid kill or be killed. It is the end of civility, the end of Americanism. America is has become a banana republic.

    'Again Harry, don't let this eat at you. Your alive, your property is unmolested and you don't have a target on your back.

    I would always carry that AK with at least eight full mags, AR500 chest plate body armor if you got it and carry that stuff just about everywhere in Georgia where the law enforcement is not up to par. You pretty much will have to go out with a full combat load if you go on any forest service loads.
    I know ranchers, hunters, oil field workers etc that go out into some Texas area's with a full combat load out including an IFAK kit, etc.

    'Hopefully nothing will happen but you gotta be prepared.

    Now if your going to town and your in a safe zone. A pistol is more than enough. Its when your out in the boonies or going through gangland area's where the combat load out would be a good idea.

    Now Harry, its interesting but there are people that would be perfectly capable of 'taking out' those guys on that road, making sure there were no survivors, cleansing the area of evidence and running their vehicles into a ravine. I'm also sure their are LEO's that once they figured out what happened would 'fudge' reports or 'would not look too hard' for evidence to find out the truth and just let justice be served the hard and brutal way.

    I'm sure that stuff happens a lot more than most people in the criminal justice industry care to admit. Sometimes bad guys 'culling the herd' of other bad guys is a good thing.


    This just shows how far America has fallen.

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    1. Most people here just want to go to work, go home, and be left alone. As long as there are no egregious incidents (as there are in Gainesville, Ga all the time) then nobody wants trouble.

      Even if I had been able to lay hands on a bazooka, it wouldn't have helped me much in this last situation. I don't have front tinted windows, but these guys were completely tinted in (yes, that's illegal here but if you are in the drug business you don't worry about legal overly much.) The ones I saw were hard looking men, and sitting in the middle of the forest I didn't want to antagonize them. My biggest danger is that I'll have one of my "episodes" and get myself and my wife killed in a situation like that. But as I get older I am less apt to behave according to tradition and more inclined to minimize anything with a negative impact on my ordinary life.

      So long as nothing really bad happens in our county, nobody is going to do jack about this kind of thing, because they don't want to have to look over their shoulder every day, or jump up with a shotgun every time something goes bump in the night. It's not right but that's the way it is.

      The tide is going against us.

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  8. That's what collapse looks like. What if a gang decided your homestead would make a good base of operations? You'd need a lot more trigger pullers.

    As for that particular incident, you did what you had to do. Must have been tough. Not much you could have done alone.

    What's the alternative? You'd have to shoot them all, roll their vehicles down a ravine and keep your mouth shut. Then it's "rival gang violence." With just yourself and no hard intel on what you were facing, that wasn't much of an option.

    I know people who've gone from rarely being armed to carrying all the time. They are also keeping one in the pipe ready to go -and we don't have your problem, yet. Lots of National Forest land around here. Lot's of problems with hard drugs. Having two prisons nearby brings in a lot of shady characters.

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    1. Then they'd make me an offer I couldn't refuse, I guess. I could throw a chest and make all sorts of humbug statements, but I try to be honest here. You mess with the Narco Traficantes and you get dead. That's just how it is. This place is not defensible against that kind of threat.

      I carry and have for many years, but with the Chatanooga punks, and now with these "Hispanic business men" having a pistol did me no good. The BLM thugs didn't give me adequate reason to shoot them, and if I had I'd have been the next Zimmerman and been under the jail house in Chattanooga. The only way I would have engaged these fellows in the wood would have been if they had appeared to be an imminent threat, and even then we'd both have gotten killed. I have no idea how many young men were in those two vehicles, but I am pretty sure that , say, six or seven twenty something hardened killers would have been a match for on mid sixties old guy with a pistol (and that pistol with no round in the chamber.) About all I can do is stay out of the national forest, and start carrying with one up the spout. And those things, I will do.

      My brother had a similar experience with marijuana farmers in the Sierra Mountains. At the time, I urged him to report them and their location, which he declined to do. I understand his attitude better now. When you have a government that encourages illegal immigration, and lets people sneak back into the country when they've been deported for violent crimes six times, what can you do about the problem with a pistol?

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  9. sooner,rather than later, we may all end in the same boat.
    vicki wrote about somali gangs in her area recently.
    when you run in to that many of them there is nothing you can do.
    the police these days shoot the innocent or the ill and the evil doers walk away snickering.
    everything is upside down and backwards.
    it is written that evil shall be called good and good shall be called evil.
    it may not be the last days everywhere, but it seems to be the last days her for sure.

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    1. The quality of life for middle class Americans has been going down the drain for decades. We lived a better life in the 1960's than people do now. I could do a long post on how it was better, but what's the point?

      The government has failed to keep the country safe, failed to deter crime, failed to create an environment where people can find honest work and have a decent home. Doesn't matter if the administration is Democratic or Republican, it just supports a gross, bloated bureaucracy that is out of touch with reality and doesn't care. So we live in an era of declining expectations. In every respect of our lives, things are worse by far than they were even 20 years ago.

      And it isn't going to get better. It may get worse , more rapidly, if Clinton gets elected but things are too far gone now to fix them.

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  10. Years ago, when we lived in Lake County, California, the pot growers set up shop in the National forests or BLM land. They got so bold that if we went for a drive on the dirt FS roads, we would get shot at from the growers. This was in the 70's. You played it cool, Harry and lived to tell about what happened. How far away was this from your place? Lock and loaded whenever you walk the forest, right? Stealth will keep you alive.....and maybe a silencer.

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    1. Tewshooz, my middle brother had an unpleasant run in with pot farmers in the Sierra Nevada foothills. That was in the 1990's, so they are still going strong out there.

      Because I live on the borders of the national forest, and in an area where there were once fire roads and forest service roads, there is a lot of this kind of activity. You can come from Gainesville over a windy, twisty mountain paved road that has little traffic and no police presence on it. Then you turn off on an old forest service road, and from there you go out into the woods along a spider web of abandoned tracks. In years past, in winter, I've heard automatic weapons fire out there. Where these guys stopped us was probably about 7 miles from my house as the crow flies, or 10 or so over the road.

      I think I am going to the ready condition one mode now, after all these years. I always carry Israeli style, with no round in the chamber, because that precludes accidental discharges and you can rack the slide back and let it go forward in seconds. But in this case, sitting in the car with a seat belt on, it was very awkward.

      The conventional wisdom here is that unless you actually see something bad, if you just don't mess with these guys they will not do you in. But they are very violent people, and who knows what they will do in any given situation?

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  11. Cripes Harry, that had the potential to go very bad. Does your wife shoot? She should be armed as well. It is getting to the point where if the pussy Government won't do something, we the people are going to have to. I know MY blood would boil if some invader presumed to tell me what I had to do in my own country. Too bad there aren't enough people to lean on the Sheriff, and maybe the Governor, and have them, you know, PROTECT the actual tax paying citizens. Another thing might be to equip your cars with a radio that has access to the police frequency..

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    1. J, Miriam doesn't carry anymore. She did when she was younger but I don't think it would be a good idea now, for a number of reasons.

      In a case like this, I don't think being armed helped much. I am pretty sure they could have just rolled down their windows and sprayed us, while I was still fumbling around trying to get to my shoulder holster under my seat belt. I just wasn't as situationally aware as I should have been. It was a beautiful day, the weather was perfect and the leaves were falling in the woods. I came around a corner and I was within 10 feet of the two vehicles across the road. I lost the initiative the minute I made the turn.

      Nobody in Atlanta will do anything about the drug problems here when it comes to these particular organizations. Meth heads breaking into your house, the local law enforcement can handle. But when our Sheriff's Department arrested a mid level cartel leader in our county, it was by accident. When they found out who they had, the newspaper stressed very strongly that we did not know the man being arrested was a cartel member.

      Even if the Sheriff was like the guy Arnold portrayed in "Last Stand" I'm not sure what he could do. He couldn't stop Hispanics coming through our county, that's "racial profiling" and it's worth noting that Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has done such a fine job of resisting illegal immigration out in the SouthWest, is now facing criminal charges from a corrupt federal judge for having refused to desist in that very thing.

      I have scanners at the house but not in the vehicle. Since the National Forest is federal, our Sheriffs Department is not supposed to be sent in there except under exceptional circumstances, and then only after going through a number of federal hoops and wickets.

      My wife said today she doesn't want to go on that road anymore, although we have been using it to cut across from one paved road to a county road as a way to get home or go to town since 1986.

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  12. Keeping cool in a situation like that is difficult to do but it sounds like you did the right thing. Trouble is we all watch movies and in our heads that's how thigns would pan out, real life is very different! Hope it didn't shake up your wife too much.

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    1. Kev, it's just wearing me down. First Chattanooga and the four stooges, now this out in the woods.

      I'm putting out some more security devices this afternoon. This time, in the 270 degrees I haven't worried about overly much. At least, surely to God, I can have some tranquility at the house.

      My wife grew up in Nigeria, and was there during the Biafran War. She doesn't rattle easily. But she did say she doesn't want us to use that road anymore. I guess we won't.

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  13. If things totally crack up, other than a forest fire, this will be THE issue you have to deal with. This story right here proves that that other blogger is already wrong. The golden horde won't be coming up to your place..... because it's already there. He's crunching bogus, meaningless numbers (lies, damn lies, & statistics) while you're already dealing with these thugs up front and personal.

    I would suggest something mean like an AR 10 (.308 right?) With several extra 30 round mags.

    But first I think I'd try to stay off those back roads if there is anyway possible.

    You got lucky this time. Don't keep tempting fate.

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    1. I've got all kinds of weapons, and I have carried a truck gun (long gun) for a long time, but I am going to start carrying one in the Jeep again. Not because I really think I can annihilate a bunch like these people, but because if I drive up on something I shouldn't have seen, I'd at least like a chance to defend myself instead of just sitting there.

      I've been driving and hiking those back roads since 1986, and though I don't do it as much as I did when I was younger, I sure hate to give it up. However, I am certainly not going to be driving those roads with my wife in the car anymore.

      This used to be such a quiet, nothing ever happens kind of place.

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    2. harry,
      could you post signs at either end of that road to warn other innocents that there could be danger?
      if i were out there i would deeply appreciate a warning of some kind.
      it wouldn't have to be specific because the evil doers would tear down the signs, but very pointedly a warning, though seeming innocuous to evil doers.
      this is very worrying.
      you could never take two carloads of evil doers by yourself. and from what the guy said there would be more of them around the corner if you had turned in the opposite direction.
      it would take a force to get them, with hidden cameras to be sure of numbers and position.
      if i had the power i would bring the marines home and set them to cleaning up our own country.

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    3. Deb, it's illegal to put up any kinds of signs in the national forest, they'd just take them down. As far as warning people, everybody who lives here knows that going out there is risky, and getting more so. Tourists might not know about it, but if they read the papers or watch the news, they'll hear about events in the national forests in the state and they should be able to draw their own conclusions.

      I didn't want to cross swords with these guys. It's a losing proposition, no matter what you do. Better to just not go out there anymore I guess.

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  14. Incredible Harry. I'd say it was a pragmatic decision you made. You had few options...couldn't turn around, couldn't size up the enemy (outgunned?), wife in the vehicle, the loss of stealth, no round in the chamber, And if you had pissed them off they could have followed you home or worse. Stand down and live to fight another day. There is no shame in this.

    Good on you cool hand Luke...--Troy

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    1. You know, Troy, I didn't actually make a decision. The whole thing just happened. I had my seat belt on, and I was wearing a shoulder holster. And the pistol didn't have a round in the chamber. I messed up and if they had been dumping off bodies, or actually "doing business" that would have been that.

      I need to be a lot smarter and a lot more paranoid. Just lackadaisically driving down the road admiring the leaves in an area you know is dangerous. That's pretty stupid.

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  15. The sheriff should form a posse. At one time, a sheriff could compel service in the posse - rather like the draft for the military. The posse would not be paid - so no impact on the budget other than the pay for the deputies and trainers who would train the posse. Or, as another poster said, deploy the National Guard. but if someone doesn't stand up to them, the area is lost.

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    1. The Sheriff can call out the Posse. At once time, in the late 1980's, he did and he accepted about one out of five who showed up, still raised 500 men. That was to look for an oldster who had wandered off from home.

      But we don't control the National Forest, the Feds do. Most of the serious drug related problems come from Gainesville, Ga into the forest.

      Today, with our old person top heavy population, I doubt you could raise 500 able bodied men, armed and equipped. It's like the old Anglo Saxon Fyrd, who shows up depends on why the posse is being raised, on the perceived threat, and on the personal magnetism of the Sheriff. Back then this was mostly country people, who had weapons and who owned four wheelers, jeeps, horses. Today it's largely half way backs who have Mercedes SUV's and would be completely lost if they went off the paved road for five minutes. Today we have an older man as Sheriff who is mainly interested in keeping the Floridians happy by running "extra patrols" in the lake front and mountain top developments. This is the same man who was Sheriff when we had some problems with Hispanics breaking into peoples homes out here in the "possum trail" quadrant of the county. Back then he told us "you folks out there are on your own." However, in his defense at the time his budget had been cut and his deputies went from the 20 or so number down to about 8.

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  16. glad you kept your cool, like you say you never know what these punks are carrying and capable of so always best not to show your own hand unless you are out of options. Sounds like the guy is a 24 carat prick

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    1. They are very dangerous people. If you run "cartel violence" on google you can see just how dangerous, but don't let your wife or kid look over your shoulder.

      I guess we will just have to stay out of the forest now, though I am still going to walk down to the waterfall with the dogs, come hell or high water.

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  17. It's a real shame when you can't go in the National Forest and be safe. It looks like Virginia is in the red too, but I haven't heard of that kind of incident around here. Doesn't mean is doesn't happen although I suspect the worst of it is likely up by DC.

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    1. Lisa,

      Norfolk and Virginia Beach are serious distribution hubs for the Cartels. The goods get delivered there, then sent out for distribution all the way up to New England.

      My problem is that we live way out there, where there are few people, and it's perfect for these guys to break up the big shipments into smaller distribution loads. The forest canopy is usually so thick helicopters can't see what's going on, and they can limit access to an area they are using by the simple expedient of blocking the road and not letting people in.

      I'm getting too old for this kind of thing. Starting to think that a condo and a shuffleboard court might be pretty good. ;-)

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  18. I'd be sweating bullets as well. I wish we could just block out certain people. Poof they're gone.

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    1. I wish I could do that. I would devote my life to going around disappearing people. Unfortunately, they are increasing in number rather than the reverse.

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  19. Fear sucks. It leaves a bitter taste in your mouth, but you slept in your bed that night. I really wish I had an answer but until the border is secured we are all at risk.

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    1. I wasn't afraid of these guys. The emotion I felt was anger more than anything else. BUT, if you mess with the bull you get the horns. I have a healthy respect for their capacity for violence, and their record of killing people at the drop of a hat. Google "cartel violence" and hit "images" and that pretty much tells the story.

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  20. My state here in the middle of the country gets legal, no-permit concealed-carry starting January 1. I'm thinking if enough of us had, say, simple snubnose .38 revolvers, which do not throw brass, maybe, just maybe a few of us someones would start taking out some of these neck-tattooed "Ese" types one at a time and leaving 'em in back alleys, sidewalks, and backwoodsy areas like so much roadkill. It could happen, and we'd be better off, I think, on balance.

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    1. The police can't find Hispanics that commit crimes, but they can damn sure find Anglo's that do. The cold hard reality, unheroic though it may be, is you just are better off staying away from these guys. For one thing, they're a lot better at killing people than the average Joe would be, and there are a lot of them.

      Somebody trying to do that, would have to go into the areas where they live, and get out again. That's a daunting task.

      Can't say I disagree with your sentiment but I don't think it's really practical. Alas, Charles Bronson is dead.....

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  21. I am glad you made it through this crap, safe and sound-my .38 snubbie solution wouldn't have helped you at all, that time, anyway...

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  22. They are not "survivalists" or "individualists", being, as they are, from a collectivist culture. In these parts, they tend to live in the classy subdivisions of a quarter century ago, in houses they rent, designed for families of four or five people, but they pack twelve to fifteen in. The yards tend to be overgrown, and covered with trash and of course, the ride of choice, this being late-model full-sized American-brand standard-cab, two-wheel-drive pickup trucks with overpriced "ghetto" wheels and maybe a mural of some scantily-clad MexiFemme or perhaps their native province. Yeah, ol' abuela will cry those crocodile tears, just like that dusky granny in your kids' apartment complex, when one of her little bastards gets shot, but might be a necessary evil, if this nation is to survive in a form that we recognize and cherish. A box of that PPU .38 fodder could go a long way with regards to this effort-just sayin'...

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    1. In the 1930's, there was a big mill in Gainesville, Ga. Very "progressive" and FDR came there to make a laudatory speech about it. The company built small houses, all identical, row upon row, for the workers. In the 1950's, that became the black part of town. Then in the late 80's, the big chicken plants brought in Hispanics to break strikes in the chicken processing plants. The Hispanics moved in, the blacks moved out. The working Hispanics weren't so bad, but they brought their young people and gang culture with them. Now, nobody goes into those old neighborhoods. Even the ambulance services won't go in there without a police escort. The town has been "latinized" , store fronts all Hispanic, overrun with little taxi cabs emblazoned with spanish. The description you give of "how" they live matches our location exactly.

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