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Ariel Durant

Monday, June 12, 2017

Mexican Immigration Laws. Anti-Sharia protests in U.S. An inexpensive revolver. Gun store browsing.


Up early this morning.   Not so much because I planned to be, as because the dogs were  raising hell and woke me up.  Turned out to be hogs in the meadow.  The dogs don't pay any attention to deer, but they don't like wild hogs.  Wasn't worth trying to go  back to bed after they woke me up.  Naturally enough, the hogs broke through my trip wire rig. They used to go through five strands of heavy gauge electric fence wire with no problem, so it doesn't surprise me they tore through a single strand of trip wire cord. The "system" must have worked though, since it brought the dogs off the porch, around behind the shop, and out to the barn.


Here's a One America news article on how Mexico handles illegal immigration.  Amazes me that even the Mexicans, who are not known for being sensitive, can complain about us when they have much harsher laws about "immigrants".










Who could be stupid enough to want Sharia law in U.S. courts.  And yet, it's happening.  












No gun in the house?  Here's an inexpensive option.




The Smith and Wesson Model 10 Victory Revolver.



During World War II,  there was a shortage of hand  guns . The British were producing Webley's and Enfields, the Canadians were making High Powers, and the U.S. was cranking out the Model 1911A1.

But they couldn't produce enough weapons for the fighting troops, let alone people like military police, civilian security guards at defense plants, and other rear echelon types.  Smith and Wesson started turning out their Model 10 by the train load.  The "Victory" model was a no frills Model 10, without the deep blue finish , using a parkerized finish instead.

There's a little quirk to watch out for.  Guns furnished to our allies were often chambered for British .38/200.  Guns for our own forces were chambered in .38 special.  After the war, many of the revolvers were returned to the U.S. and rechambered for .38 special. BUT, the rechambering process resulted in a larger cylinder, and sometimes that causes problems. Guns that were rechambered from British .38/200 to American .38 Special are usually marked to that effect on the barrel. 




You can find these guns in most pawn shops. The last time I went into the pawn shop in our town, he had 8 of them, all priced at just over $200.00. They were in good shape. 

.38 Special is adequate for self defense.  It was the standard police chambering in the U.S. for decades, and you can buy it with a variety of ammunition. Revolvers are safer for novices, and easier to learn to use than a semi-automatic.  It's harder to have an accidental discharge with a revolver than a semi-automatic, though no gun is 100 percent idiot proof.  For people with arthritis or with minimal arm strength, it's nice not to have to rack a slide back.


If you go after a collectible gun, like this Australian issued Victory Model that's new in the box, the price can be very high. But a plain vanilla Victory Model , in good shape with no frills, is within reach of most budgets.  Beats a baseball bat or a kitchen knife when things go bump in the night.







I don't have anything special going on today. Maybe I should make a trip to some of the gun stores around here and see what's on offer. There are a good many of these within driving range of my place. Every small town has at least two gun shops.  Most towns have a combination drug store/ gun store so you can pick up your pills and your ammo in one stop.























Or I could just wait for a gun show to roll around again. I think there's one on the fourth of July in Jasper during their Summer Tour.  The shows these guys put on last fall were good. 




A Little Humor:















Thought for the Day:









44 comments:

  1. I live in a rural mountainous area, but there are disappointingly few gun stores, and most of them have few used guns - I find I do better at gun shows, but there most people want alot for used guns, particularly revolvers. The last Model 10's I saw were about $300.

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    1. Jonathan, it's getting harder and harder to find used guns. I worked in the gun department of the local general store back in the mid nineties. It was a Saturday/Sunday job, part time. I didn't earn much but I took my pay in kind. I also got to buy "trade in's" for whatever the store had allowed on them, which was never alot. Those were good days.

      Now, used guns in good shape are harder to find, and everything costs so much more. I actually find better deals in pawn shops than at gun stores most of the time. That's true for ammo too. The pawn stores carry ammo at good prices to lure you in, in the hopes you'll see something else you can't live without. It works, too.

      The Model 10 is a good home defense gun for a "non-gun" person. The Liberty version is still around in some quantities, because they are not aesthetically very attractive when you compare them to the zillions of other Model 10's out there with the other finishes. I have one with brushed satin finish that's really beautiful.

      I'm lucky because there are lots of small counties up here, all of which have at least one good gun store and some have more. When I was working I used to make day trips and just make the rounds. I'd go through Hall, White, Union, Fannin, Gilmer, Towns, Rabun and Stephens counties in Georgia. Other times I'd make the rounds through some of the North Carolina counties near us, like Cherokee, or go up to Tennessee.

      These days I don't do that so much because I don't have so much disposable income, but we still make little day trips to those places for other things, and I always go into the gun stores when we've finished our list of things to do.

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  2. Harry, I've got a Model 10 victory model, rechambered as it was a British model, parkerized finish or whats left of it. The back strap has "US NAVY" engraved on it. It was given to me by an elderly lady who was about to go into assisted living. Her husband was in the navy all through the war as an "SP", and carried it all four years. and it looks like it! She kept it by her bedside and had it loaded with "WAD CUTTERS." I'm sure the pistol has a history, but her memory was pretty well gone when she gave it to me.

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  3. That sounds like a nice pistol. Especially being marked "U.S. Navy" which gives it some character. I often wonder, when I'm cleaning an old pistol or rifle, what travels it's made over the decades.

    Maybe it would be good to have a letter typed up for you to sign, with the provenance as you know it. That will preserve the history of the gun if you pass it on to a family member at some future time. If you do be sure to get it notarized. I thought what you know about it was pretty interesting.

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  4. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    The two unofficial state guns (pistols) of Texas are Glocks and 1911's.
    I like both. The 1911 to shoot, the Glock to carry.

    The unofficial state rifles of Texas are the AR-15 and the AK-47.
    It used to be lever action rifles and revolvers but now since the bag guys can crank out a mess of rounds in a very short time span. An automatic pistol with a large magazine is the way to go for self defense in the pistol category in my humble opinion. I go agree that beginners are better off with revolvers.

    One bit of good news. Last night there was a big soccer game between Mexico's team and the U.S. soccer team in Mexico City.
    The game was tie, a draw in soccer terms (1 to 1) The Mexicans were amazed at how well our team did.

    'Of course the Mexican team booed our National Anthem and when our goalie blocked a ball. The Mexicans started to chant anti-gay slurs at the goalie who is openly gay I believe.

    Typhical Mexican behavior. I hope we find a way to shut the border down.
    Our team is running strong and has a chance to qualify for the worlds cup finals in 2018 as I understand it,

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    1. The less we have to do with Mexico and the Mexicans, the better. Some of them are undoubtedly good people but it's better for us if they be good down in our own country. They're driving into bankruptcy up here.

      I don't follow sports much. I wasn't aware we had a full time soccer team.

      Nothing wrong with the AK47 or the AR15. Both good rifles. Lately I've just been looking at less expensive weapons that don't require a lot of expertise to operate and maintain, because I've been surprised how many good folks don't have a gun in the house. I think that' unwise in this day and time. I know a lot of people are working within financial constraints (aren't we all) so I am trying to do some posts not about dream guns but about obtainable ones.

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  5. Hey Harry,

    (captaincrunch)

    Almost forgot.

    on the YouTube thing.

    I would at least recommend 'Stefan Molyneux's channel and Styxhexanhammer666's channel for the best social, political content.

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    1. Ok, how do I find them. Just go to youtube and do a search?

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    2. Hey Harry,

      (captaincrunch)

      yeah' just type in 'Stefan Molyneux' in youtube. I have not watched his latest video, which is on Puerto Rico voting for statehood.
      The same goes for Styxhexanhammer666. Try logging into you account and subscribe to their channels if you like their content.

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    3. I'm just about to go into town, but when I get back this afternoon I'll look these up. Thanks for the guidance. If it isn't in the "too hard" category I would be glad of another source of information. I just get kind of bogged down sometimes between the satellite television, shortwave radio, blogging, etc.

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  6. Harry, run a search for Palmetto State Armory's billboards. They have some Christmas-themed ones that go up at that time of the year and others the rest of the year that tend to tweak the hoplophobes' feelings. I'm periodically in Columbia, SC for business and see them when I'm there.

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    1. Bert, I will do that. I am a strong believer in expressing your opinions, and that the more right thinking people who do that, the better off we all are.

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  7. Wow...can't believe how many gun stores you have near you. We don't have any for 100 miles...not counting a few guns that the Hardware Store has. Nothing used and no pawn shops, either. Little dink gun show twice a year. That's one of the reasons I order online from Bud's Gun Shop or Hyatt's. Dealers at the gun shows think their stuff is solid gold...and then they wonder why their stuff doesn't sell. I see where Trump has agreed to take those wacked out Muslims from the Aussies after all after he said he would not. I read that 80 percent have mental problems. Personally, I think they all do; we certainly don't need them here. Those 3 Muslim kids that raped that 5 year old in Idaho got off with probation and the judge issued a gag order after the trial which is illegal as hell. Makes my blood boil.

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    1. The one's I posted pictures of aren't even all of them. There are some survivalist/gun shops in Rabun county that are pretty good, and there's another one on the Gainesville highway that caters to the survivalist crowd.

      We certainly don't need any more Moslems in this country, and those from Australia are particularly nasty and have given the Australians a bad time. They let in some from Lebanon, and those, to show their gratitude, began to grope Australian girls at the beaches. When the life guards tried to stop it, they got beaten up.

      I don't understand the courts. I don't understand how any civilized person could protect these cockroaches, but it happens all the time and under the most egregious circumstances.

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    2. tewshooz,
      study the middle eastern family systems and you find understanding of the mental illness prevalence.
      they marry their cousins, even the Christians do.
      it is part of the ethos of those regions.
      lots of diabetes and heart problems, too.
      looking at pictures of their families you notice that cousins often look like twins---maybe they almost are, genetically speaking.

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    3. just heard on local news that the immigration dis-service have 'rounded up' Chaldean
      Christians to deport.
      their home nations say they are criminals--that is, they are Christians, which is a crime in the moslem nations.
      they will be deported by our worthless government to be raped, otherwise tortured, sold into slavery and/or murdered.
      God help them!

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    4. Well, I'm pretty much in favor of deporting all illegals. I'm not religious so that factor doesn't bug me. I'm an equal opportunity deporter. I realize it matters to you though, understandable since these are your coreligionists.

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    5. I agree with Harry....if you are illegal, your religion doesn't matter. Illegal is illegal.

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    6. from what i heard they are not illegal. did you hear different?

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    7. If they are here legally, then they don't have to worry about being deported.

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  8. Local markets vary but finding a serviceable S&W .38 under $350 in Kansas is basically impossible.

    Capacity issues aside .38's work just fine if you hit the guy.

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    1. I am beginning to think that out in the small North Georgia towns, gun prices are just lower. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, virtually everything is cheap here, food, gasoline, raw land. Not as cheap as it was back in the pre four lane road days, but still a lot less than down in Atlanta or in Chattanooga which is really all I have to compare it with.

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  9. I just looked at two of those Victory models at the local Cabelas today. The wanted 500$ a piece. They were nice, but not that nice. There was a post war Walther P-38 for 425$ that looked like a better deal and did not look too bad.

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    1. I bought around eight of the Walther P-1 pistols when the Germans released them from war reserve in the mid ninties. They were dirt cheap, I think an excellent condition gun marked P 38 ran for about $165, and the same gun in the same condition marked P-1 was about $40.00 less. These were wholesale prices, though, as my boss let me use his FFL to order direct from the big wholesalers.

      I can't believe even Cabelas would try that on. I am going by the pawn shop tomorrow and if he has any of the Victory guns I will see what kind of deal he will give me on two or three of them. The last time I was in there, the price range was around $200.00 for NRA "very good" condition guns. I think he had about eight of them on hand.

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    2. I'd also keep an eye out for a .45ACP 1917, Colt or S&W. Those old N frames have quite a bit of use in them. I bought a Brazilian 1917 (1937) and it is FUN to shoot. No magnum performance, just a pleasant shooting handgun.

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    3. Those would be nice to find. I haven't seen any of the World War One era .45 ACP revolvers in a long time. I have a Colt New Model Army 1903 in my collection. It's chambered for .45 Long Colt. A guy traded it to a grocery store owner in Hickory, North Carolina in 1932 for groceries. The grocery store owner gave it to his son, who gave it to his son, and I bought it from him in 1994.

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    4. The last Model 1917 I saw for sale was asking $800 and I didn't think it was in very good shape. Needless to say, I passed on it. I agree that gun shows right now are generally holding onto high prices, but if you look around you can find a few deals in a big show.

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    5. And even if you don't find anything you want in an affordable range, it's fun to just go and see what's there, and mill around with the crowd. Like a circus for gun owners.

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  10. Nice post tonight Harry. I have thought about blogging as there isn't much of it done here in the U.P. but I decided I could not devote the time necessary to do it well so better not to do it at all. I do enjoy yours..---ken

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    1. Ken, it does take some time, but you can vary the frequency of your posts. There are several fellows I read consistently who only write a paragraph or so every few days. But their geographic location and their subject matter holds my interest.

      I appreciate your coming by here. The wider the circle of good people , the more I learn and the more confident I feel about things in general in the country.

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  11. I am so glad to hear that you consider a .38 special an adequate defense weapon. I bought a 9mm, but had trouble pulling the slide. I finally just bought a SW .38 special air light revolver. It is small and easy to use. I use hollow point ammo. Is that the best ammo for personal defense? I did get to use my pistol yesterday. My dogs cornered a large copperhead and my little pistol worked quite well at killing it. I am deadly afraid of snakes, so I was happy to have my weapon. Jana

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    1. Jana, there's nothing at all wrong with a .38 special. I have heard that the muzzle velocity on the .38 is not enough to make a hollow point expand to it's fullest potential, but I'm not sure that's true. Maybe someone with more knowledge of that type of thing will jump in here. Personally, I'd say that's fine. I keep my .38 specials loaded with lead round nose ammo, just because I always have. I use a lot of ball ammo, and not much of the super duper expando kryptonite stuff. That's because most of my older semi-auto pistols were designed for ball, before all the magic silver bullets were invented, and they have feed ramp problems with non full metal jacket ammo. I do have some hollow points for things like my Beretta 92, Sig P226, the more modern weapons.

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    2. FWIW, You need about 750 to 800feet per second to achieve full expansion on a hollow point. Standard 158 gr 38 SPL achieves that all day long. Go down to 125 grain and it is moving closer to 1000 fps, so expansion of hollow points is not an issue.
      I have found that just the name S&W around here increases the price by 30 to 50 % over what it is real worth. I tend to look for alternatives. Occasionally surplus Taurus model 82s show up at the various online vendors for around $200. The 82 is a S&W model 10. They look a bit holster worn but they are serviceable. They are usually South-American police issue. Not long ago I picked up an almost new three inch barrel Rossi model 68 for 170$. The M68 is a J-frame built under S&W license in Brazil. Another undervalued revolver to consider would be a Charter Arms. They can usually be had brand new for right around the $350 mark. I am kind of partial to the 44 SPL Classic Bulldog. New Taurus model 85s can be had for the same price and they will get the job done.

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    3. I have always used bird shot in my handguns for snakes. Don't miss that way. .38 special birdshot blows them away. First two rounds are birdshot and the next ones are regular ammo.

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    4. When I was a kid, we were always finding Diamond Back rattlers in our barn, in our garage, in the lawn, in the chicken house... my dad had a cheap .22 revolver loaded with bird shot and that's what he used to kill them, when he didn't use a hoe. I always thought the bird shot was a lot better idea.

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    5. I didn't realize a hollow point would get full expansion out of a velocity of 800 fps. That's about what a .45 ACP comes out of a 1911 at. Good to know.

      I have several Taurus and Rossi revolvers, and they are good guns. I like them a lot. I have two Taurus PT-92 type pistols in 9mm and they are really reliable, well made guns.

      I don't think I have any Charter Arms. I had a little "pimp pistol" chrome plated revolver but I gave it to my brother.

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    6. Thanks everyone for the advice. I usually use a hoe to kill a snake, but this one was really large and I was afraid it would bite one of my dogs. The dogs get out of the way when they see one of us with a gun. I guess they don't like the noise. I keep my .38 special nearby and loaded, so that is what I used. Probably, birdshot or a .22 would be better to get use on snakes. Jana

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    7. Jana, you killed the snake with a slug, so nobody can argue with success! Bird shot loads for a .38 are pretty cheap, so that might be good if all you use the pistol for is snakes. The range on birdshot loads is not too good though.

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  12. I haven't been sleeping well at all. Isaak had a fever this weekend. He was crazy talking in his sleep. I think he really had something because his throat hurt and he took a 2 hour nap the day before. Then he could sleep because he had a loose tooth. Then I keep thinking about all the stuff I need to do before I go under the knife next Friday.

    We own a gun. I don't think Travis spent a lot on it.

    The McCain image - the poor guy is off his rocker.

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    1. Alissa, I'm sorry so much is coming at you at once. Having young children is tough, I can remember how that was. I'll be thinking of you Friday and hoping all goes well.

      A gun doesn't have to cost a lot to be a good one. As long as it shoots reliably, it's better than a sharp stick, ball bat, or kitchen knife.

      McCain, Graham and some of these other old party hacks need to retire and make room for people who can still tie their shoes.

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  13. Harry, the grandma in the picture sure looks like the queen of England! Don't mess with the queen!

    Those model 10's are nice. Back in '95 I picked up a stainless combat masterpiece from a kid who was down on his luck, he only wanted $100 for it. I have had several folks offer me 5 times that since then. Very accurate pistol, and I enjoy shooting the heavier slugs in 158 gr.

    Several magazines and gun aficionados like to trash talk the .38, but it has always been good to me. --Troy

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    1. The .38 special is a good round. Unless you are fighting Huks all hopped up on hallucinogenic drugs, it should work fine as far as I can see. The Model 10 has been around a long time and it's a fine pistol.

      The Queen is a tough old lady from all I hear. I wonder if she is going to live forever? Been around a long time.

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  14. I think the new (ish) "personal defense" ammo has been optimized to work at pistol and revolver velocities. I have even read some reviews on 380 rounds that mostly worked.
    I tell folks to "Try em all" and get one that works for YOU. It does not matter what I think, you will be the one on the other end of it. Better to have a 22 than nothing if you suddenly have a need.
    I would love to find a victory for that sort of cash. I shoot a lot of 38 special, so that would fit right in.
    I picked up a Brazilian 1917 some years back, shot OK, but it was nasty. Craters under the grips... Sold that one. When my Dad passed a few years back I inherited his (which I had sold him when I had an FFL) that is much nicer. The ones from the first batch likely saw combat in WW2. The Brazilians fought with us in the Italian campaign.

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    1. I don't reload a lot of pistol ammo, and what I do is usually just fmj. I get "Guns and Ammo" magazine and "Hand Loader" but I tend to skip over the articles that don't deal with older guns. I probably should read the whole magazine, I'm paying for it.

      I know there were both Colt and S&W revolvers used in both the world wars. I've read some articles in surplus magazines about them, but you don't see that kind of gun up here much.
      Mostly just plain jane guns that are affordable.

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